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This should be the real Emond's Field war... Egwene is going to go nuclear when she sees that the Prince of the Ravens who is trying to destroy her Tower is Mat.

I think it's time to move past Egwene vs Rand, and start worrying about Egwene vs Mat.


That Rand will actually support the Seanchan's attack of the WT, after they make their alliance. He will beleive that he has to liberate the WT from the Shadow and free Egwene, because IMO he will eventually learn from Semirhage that Mesaana & the BA basically rule the WT and that Egwene is a prisoner there. Normally Rand should also already know from Narishma that Aran'gar (the female Forsaken who channeled saidin at the Cleansing) lived among the Rebels and probably manipulated them as well.

This explains how the Seanchan will know about Egwene beforehand as the Dreams indicate, and why Egwene will be angry about Rand, when she faces him the next time.

Mat is Prince of the Ravens, but most likely won't be involved in the Seanchan attack, because he has to rescue Moiraine.
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1312 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2188 Views
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Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2205 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2038 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2150 Views
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I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2264 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1919 Views
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Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2230 Views
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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2175 Views
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2235 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2070 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2129 Views
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Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2149 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2086 Views
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A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2400 Views
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Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2119 Views
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Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2037 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2185 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1973 Views
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1973 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2096 Views
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Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2171 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2179 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2033 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2161 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2169 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2185 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2128 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2129 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2445 Views
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Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2189 Views
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Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2019 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1212 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2339 Views
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A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2194 Views
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Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1294 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2135 Views

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