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no.. urizen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM
It's not going to be that simple. Egwene had a dream of a long line of Aes Sedai being collared.Those could actually be the rebels, since the White Tower provides more protection from an attack. Egwene may be instrumental in having the WT Aes Sedai saving the rebels. Alternatively the large number of novices in the rebel camp (channelers who have not sworn on the Oath Rod) means that they have a better fighting chance - Aes Sedai can't really fight being collared, since they can't use the power to prevent that (A'dam does not threaten their life, only freedom).


Didn't Elaida have a foretelling or something that said the tower would be restored to glory with her at the helm?


Elaida had a fortelling that the Tower would be restored to glory under a Amyrlin and she naturally assumed it was herself the foretelling refered to.
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he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2088 Views
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Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1759 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2127 Views
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Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2315 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2065 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2133 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2220 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2153 Views
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2155 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1309 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2186 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2184 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2328 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2205 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2035 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2148 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2264 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2260 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1918 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2360 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2227 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2030 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2163 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2174 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2227 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2234 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2070 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2128 Views
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1282 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2145 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2085 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2158 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2399 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2138 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2114 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1251 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2036 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2183 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1971 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2194 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1970 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2096 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2155 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2171 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2177 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2032 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2156 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2163 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2184 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2121 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2127 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2444 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1228 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2301 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1920 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2189 Views
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Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2018 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1211 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2338 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2253 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2376 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2145 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1374 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2191 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2273 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1292 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2026 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1979 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1977 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2132 Views

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