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no.. urizen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM
It's not going to be that simple. Egwene had a dream of a long line of Aes Sedai being collared.Those could actually be the rebels, since the White Tower provides more protection from an attack. Egwene may be instrumental in having the WT Aes Sedai saving the rebels. Alternatively the large number of novices in the rebel camp (channelers who have not sworn on the Oath Rod) means that they have a better fighting chance - Aes Sedai can't really fight being collared, since they can't use the power to prevent that (A'dam does not threaten their life, only freedom).


Didn't Elaida have a foretelling or something that said the tower would be restored to glory with her at the helm?


Elaida had a fortelling that the Tower would be restored to glory under a Amyrlin and she naturally assumed it was herself the foretelling refered to.
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2065 Views
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Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2265 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2098 Views
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2096 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1279 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2135 Views
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We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2283 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2163 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1978 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2084 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2212 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2204 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1868 Views
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Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2171 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1958 Views
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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2110 Views
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Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2186 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2026 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2083 Views
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1249 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2082 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2037 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2106 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2360 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2081 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2029 Views
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Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1972 Views
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Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1904 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2148 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1896 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2050 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2103 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2126 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2142 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1974 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2092 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2093 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2151 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2065 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2089 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2400 Views
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Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2257 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1874 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2137 Views
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Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1975 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1197 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2292 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2205 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2311 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2098 Views
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A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2145 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2206 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1259 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1981 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1944 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1935 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2085 Views

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