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Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli Send a noteboard - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” An extraordinarily apt title for a chapter being read verrrrry slllllllowly by a woman whose underpants are apparently too tight.

03:05 – Egwene is condescendingly approving of Silviana doing her duty, because so few do these days. And Egwene’s priority is protecting 294 or so of those malingerers. Without the benefit of hindsight of everything that has happened since the beginning of the rebellion, how can fleeing to Salidar in a fit of pique over what their leaders admit was a legal change of authority be considered “doing their duty”? The most duty-conscious sisters would be the ones who kept to their tasks and missions or stayed in the Tower (like Seaine, for instance, who had the most personal reason to flee – it was HER idea that was repudiated by the coup, after all). NOW sisters and false Amyrlins are all full of pious sentiment about being willing to put their lives on the line for the Tower, but where was the courage and selflessness when they fled the Tower in fear of their lives, or for lesser causes? In the American Civil War, the secession of the southern states in rejection of the first Republican President, was the best thing that could happen to the Republicans! They had a Republican President, and now with the South gone, they had control over Congress! Their staunchest regional opposition had left. There was no one to block the laws the Republicans and their predecessors had been trying to pass unsuccessfully for years. The same has happened with the Tower. All the “abuses” Elaida has carried out happened because the Blues deserted their posts! Imagine if the first time they lost a battle to the Shadow, the Borderlanders quit the war, and departed for the south? Egwene & her followers are all appalled at the factionalism in the Tower and the failure to maintain Tar Valon? They why did they leave the city to be neglected? Why did they not stay and try to keep peace between the Ajahs?

03:50 - The “proper order” shot was a low blow. Is an Amyrlin deserting her duties to go on a boat ride “proper order”? What kind of order would have existed in the rebel camp if they had not been relying on one of the recruits to keep things flowing smoothly?

05:17 Meanwhile, Silviana does the basic practical thing, and Egwene assesses her as “stern yet fair.” Exactly WHAT has she said or done to indicate EITHER quality? She has not been all that stern, unless proper maintenance of authority and decorum between superior and vastly inferior is what passes for “stern” these days. And what does she do that is so fair? Her orders regarding Egwene eating enough to do what she has to, when Silviana has explicit orders to not break her, is merely doing what is necessary. “Fair” does not come into it. And so much for Egwene being the great unifier! It is one thing when Siuan is prejudiced against the Red Ajah, and so ready to see them as the enemy that she overlooks instances where their agenda and hers overlap, but she has the excuse of indoctrination in the practices of the Tower and her Ajah’s feuds and prejudices. Egwene is prejudiced with no cause! She favors the Green and thinks that it is a “pity” a sister she has a good opinion of “found her way to the Red.” And yet people are going to cite her lack of an Ajah as a point in her favor as a candidate for Amyrlin. True she brings no factional baggage – but Egwene being Egwene, she makes her own baggage! What has the Red Ajah done to offend her so anyway? Protect the world from another Breaking? Recall back in Lord of Chaos, when discussing Galina’s theoretical Ajah, Rand, a man who can channel and a natural enemy of the Red Ajah is open to the idea of working with them and accepts the possibility that the Reds could see reason. Egwene, Ms Neutrality herself, so praised for her refusal to reciprocate against the Reds Elaida’s disbandment of the Blues, arrogating to herself authority over an Ajah that does not want her (and her entire claim rests on the validity of the principle that an Amyrlin cannot impose herself on sisters who do not recognize her as such), even back then sneers at the idea that a Red could be friendly or sympathetic to Rand.

07:05 - And Egwene keeps on scoring points, not because of her brilliant moves, but because she’s up against clueless idiots. Katerine “has no choice” but to take back the cup? Why are they even affording her the courtesy of drinking it herself? She should be getting dosed via funnel to impose on her the helplessness of her situation! If she hands the cup back, she should be punished for not asking a sister to take it back and made to hold it. And a weave to make it freezing cold should be placed on it. If she doesn’t give back the cup, she gets punished on suspicious of attempted theft! And why is she allowed to linger? She should be dragged to Elaida’s study by the scruff of her neck to teach her that it is NOT up to her where or when she goes! Is THIS what the Black Ajah have come to? Katerine doesn’t even know the very basics of breaking people! Even I can see this, and I’m not any kind of pro. You have to adapt to your subject. If the subject makes a point of pride of doing things himself, you strip them of the dignity. If he is embracing his helplessness to maintain the mindset that he is not cooperating, but is being forced, you make him participate in his own coerced actions. And how long is it going to take them to try something other than punishments fit only for children who lack a proper perspective? Why aren’t they making her do degrading, arduous and useless labor, or exiling her to a farm somewhere? Once again, Egwene is bowling in the bumper lane and is pleased with herself for not rolling a gutter ball!

08:28 - A “conspicuous” amount of red, worn by Katerine is…a red dress slashed with black, and dark hair. Wow. Egwene really doesn’t like seeing red. And “what more could they do to her?” Well, if she was in the hands of halfway intelligent people … she seems to forget that she’s living under a suspended death sentence. Other characters manage defiance or serenity in the face of obvious danger. Egwene does so because she cannot imagine the obvious danger! And what is the deal with Katerine and the black? Is she flaunting her true Ajah?

09:55 - Were the rebels the ones to formally declare war? Were the rebels the ones to single out the Reds for public humiliation? Egwene thinks she’s getting the last word merely because her adversaries cannot be bothered to give the obvious responses.

10:45 - And after her followers spread lies singling out the Reds, Egwene wonders why they don’t ditch Elaida as an embarrassment to the Ajah – does Egwene not comprehend how these hostile actions might have contributed to a bunker mentality.

13:00 - And she’s still going on about the garbage in the street! How does she feel about one of the “great cities” having its lifeblood choked off by her plotting?

14:00 - Well Egwene DOES realize the obvious about her prospects for execution. That’s something of a relief.

14:46 - The Dark One’s an art critic! These bubbles of evil are getting more and more impressive.

15:25 - Egwene doesn’t have time to worry about the Dark One coming! She has a Tower to perfect! Maybe considering the Dark One’s effects on the Pattern might give her some perspective on her course of action and its slow pace.

18:10 - Egwene just realized something is more important than her pride! Whatever else Elaida has done, she has taught Egwene some perspective! She deserves a pardon for all offenses for that achievement alone!

20:36 - Now Egwene is engaging in mental hagiography over Siuan’s perfect decorating style. 8} The woman WAS incompetent, and not too far removed from Elaida in her views on Rand. Someone’s own private quarters should be functional and not distracting? What is her problem? Obviously, Egwene is nit-picking over nonsense to reassure herself of her “rival’s” wrongdoing. Had Elaida’s rooms been as plain and simple as the Winespring Inn, she would be at fault for failing to uphold the dignity and majesty of the Amyrlin Seat.

22:21 - Oooh. So much for her resolution to let Elaida win. Egwene can’t be in the room five seconds without getting in trouble.

22:55 - HAH! Egwene & Elaida have identical perspectives on the sisters’ performance of their duties and how Silviana measures up. This is the true measure of Elaida’s iniquity – she thinks just like Egwene!

25:00 - Elaida’s pretty good at the torture stuff… it’s the same old deal with incompetent minions again. She has to leave Egwene to losers like Katerine.

25:45 - And Elaida is bad for keeping an uncovered spy close? Like all of Egwene’s friends do? And she should be nice to a woman who is not only spying for rebels who have falsely accused Elaida of monstrous crimes, but is attempting to take personal advantage of a friendship with Elaida.

26:30 - This is actually pretty interesting. I think serving food is the most useful Egwene has been in any function over the course of the series.

29:05 - Oh, power changes people. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that Egwene had been WRONG about Elaida on her first analysis. 8} And she never considers the fact that “power changes people” might apply to herself, of course.

‘It appeared that holding the Amyrlin Seat had taken Egwene’s thirst for power and recognition and turned them into a messiah complex and made her furiously incapable of witnessing someone holding a different opinion.’

30:30 - And Elaida is bad because she does not listen to Egwene’s dream warning, which incidentally would boost Egwene’s credibility and thus hurt Elaida’s? How much credence did Egwene and her people give to Nicola’s Foretellings? For the most part they laughed them off as exaggerations and unbelievable!

32:45 - And NOW Egwene is mad about Elaida’s proposed Oath. First, she equates a change in the Oaths with eliminating them altogether. Egwene is now on record as claiming that the SPECIFIC Three Oaths are sacrosanct and perfect, as if they have been handed down from the Creator! Adding to or altering the Oath does not undo the principle behind them. According to Egwene, the Tower may not change what it has done! Because Aes Sedai once used certain Oaths, all Aes Sedai forever must use them and only them, no matter how unsuited or wrong they might turn out to be. And if there is one woman in the history of the universe who should not dare think that an oath of obedience to the Amyrlin is wrong, it is Egwene, who has forced oaths of fealty on sisters through blackmail. And blackmail offenses that include helping one of Egwene’s friends survive the loss of his warder bond. And a girl who threatened Sitters in the Hall with being birched for sarcasm is judging Elaida? This is why the US Constitution protects congressmen from legal penalties for words spoken on the floor of Congress.

34:10 - So Egwene’s solution to hearing things she does not like is to dump out increasingly rare food? What about self-control? An alien concept to Egwene, apparently.

37:00 - And Egwene cites the right of the Amyrlin to demand obedience from Meidani! And she is mad at Elaida for expecting the same thing! We know that Elaida is being disobeyed on the issue of the cleaning of Tar Valon, so does that not logically suggest Elaida is right?

37:40 - Crap. I KNEW IT! Egwene is going to get credit for the Black Ajah hunters! THEY were the ones who set Meidani on Elaida, and Egwene has unwittingly associated herself with them by saying she appreciates what Meidani is doing with Elaida! Now Meidani is going to think the hunters are working for Egwene, and this will spread to her credit, of course.

38:55 - “Forced to drop the soup”? Even recognizing her own faults, she is still dodging full blame. “She’d underestimated how infuriating Elaida could be…” so it’s all Elaida’s fault in her head. Of course.

41:12 - “Ends of the loaf”!! Truly Egwene is a marvel for enduring such sufferings! And to think we felt pity for Rand’s meager sufferings.

42:25 - Finally! Egwene has realized the reality of her duty. I commented on this a while back, and once again, a character realizes I’m right a book later. She finally sees that tearing down the Tower from within because it does not serve her is hypocritical.

42:55 - Annnnd the arrogance is back. Rand MUST be screwing up without her guiding him! When did she EVER guide him, after he proclaimed himself? EVERYTHING he has accomplished has been without her help, but he is surely running amok without her input. 8}

45:00 - And Egwene laughs at the idiocy of her beatings, but she is the one who in CoT, refused the idea of surrendering to Elaida because Elaida was going to spank Egwene’s precious “daughters” and make them pretend to join other Ajahs?

All in all, aside from her revelation that her supposed tour de force in the last book was wrong-minded and that she has had the wrong attitude so far, this chapter has not been all that new for Egwene. It’s more of the same triviality of KoD, blown up in her mind to the crucial struggle on which the world rests, with more hypocrisy that her fans have no doubt plastered all over RAFO.com as evidence of her sanctity.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 8351 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 2840 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1540 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 2675 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 1407 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1440 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 2331 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 2252 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 2182 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 2813 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2912 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 1333 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1582 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 1376 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 2349 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 2477 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 2395 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 2478 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 2503 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 2517 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 2479 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 2418 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 2373 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 2572 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 2473 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 2380 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 2354 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 2438 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 2433 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 2366 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 2407 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 2534 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 2510 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 2363 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 2417 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 2277 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 2302 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 2296 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 2281 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 2116 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 2525 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 2191 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 2260 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 2354 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 3052 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 2458 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 2436 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 2525 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1706 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 2372 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 2358 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 2234 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 1350 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 2422 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 2185 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 2046 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 2409 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 2426 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 2513 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 2384 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 2485 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 2495 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 2162 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 2238 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 2210 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 2359 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 2137 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 2397 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 2460 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1305 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 2335 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 2510 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 2121 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2492 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 2251 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 2349 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1853 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 2284 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 2322 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 2338 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 2259 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 2522 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1532 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2399 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 2544 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 2359 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 2237 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 2451 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 2245 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 2405 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 2326 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 2618 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 2537 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 2384 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 2152 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 2316 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 2295 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 1280 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 2488 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 2407 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 2308 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 2373 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 1340 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 2194 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 2216 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 2333 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 2302 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 2398 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 2413 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 2303 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 2125 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 2250 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 2230 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2424 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 2157 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 2241 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 2323 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 2345 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 2291 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 2178 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 2333 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 2328 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 2191 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1357 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 2101 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 2216 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 2269 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 2282 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 2278 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 2175 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 2216 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 2278 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 2540 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2390 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 2193 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 1324 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 2217 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 2340 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM* - 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM 1308 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2362 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 2301 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 2453 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2429 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 2247 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1358 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1409 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 2142 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 2303 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 2272 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 2289 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 2284 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2440 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 2312 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 2148 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 2255 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2365 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2363 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 2027 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2489 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 2333 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 2127 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 2286 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 2287 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 2333 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 2333 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 2168 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 2236 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 2321 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1330 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 2254 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 2196 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 2273 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2504 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 2234 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 2243 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 2231 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1297 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 2128 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 2268 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 2072 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 2314 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 2085 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 2215 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 2260 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 2283 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 2284 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 2145 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 2256 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 2268 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 2281 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 2240 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 2230 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2540 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1294 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2405 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 2030 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 2299 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 2166 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 2122 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1268 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2433 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2357 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2490 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 2256 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1433 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 2295 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2373 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1339 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 2118 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 2078 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 2073 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 2288 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 2236 Views

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