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Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” Cannoli Send a noteboard - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” An extraordinarily apt title for a chapter being read verrrrry slllllllowly by a woman whose underpants are apparently too tight.

03:05 – Egwene is condescendingly approving of Silviana doing her duty, because so few do these days. And Egwene’s priority is protecting 294 or so of those malingerers. Without the benefit of hindsight of everything that has happened since the beginning of the rebellion, how can fleeing to Salidar in a fit of pique over what their leaders admit was a legal change of authority be considered “doing their duty”? The most duty-conscious sisters would be the ones who kept to their tasks and missions or stayed in the Tower (like Seaine, for instance, who had the most personal reason to flee – it was HER idea that was repudiated by the coup, after all). NOW sisters and false Amyrlins are all full of pious sentiment about being willing to put their lives on the line for the Tower, but where was the courage and selflessness when they fled the Tower in fear of their lives, or for lesser causes? In the American Civil War, the secession of the southern states in rejection of the first Republican President, was the best thing that could happen to the Republicans! They had a Republican President, and now with the South gone, they had control over Congress! Their staunchest regional opposition had left. There was no one to block the laws the Republicans and their predecessors had been trying to pass unsuccessfully for years. The same has happened with the Tower. All the “abuses” Elaida has carried out happened because the Blues deserted their posts! Imagine if the first time they lost a battle to the Shadow, the Borderlanders quit the war, and departed for the south? Egwene & her followers are all appalled at the factionalism in the Tower and the failure to maintain Tar Valon? They why did they leave the city to be neglected? Why did they not stay and try to keep peace between the Ajahs?

03:50 - The “proper order” shot was a low blow. Is an Amyrlin deserting her duties to go on a boat ride “proper order”? What kind of order would have existed in the rebel camp if they had not been relying on one of the recruits to keep things flowing smoothly?

05:17 Meanwhile, Silviana does the basic practical thing, and Egwene assesses her as “stern yet fair.” Exactly WHAT has she said or done to indicate EITHER quality? She has not been all that stern, unless proper maintenance of authority and decorum between superior and vastly inferior is what passes for “stern” these days. And what does she do that is so fair? Her orders regarding Egwene eating enough to do what she has to, when Silviana has explicit orders to not break her, is merely doing what is necessary. “Fair” does not come into it. And so much for Egwene being the great unifier! It is one thing when Siuan is prejudiced against the Red Ajah, and so ready to see them as the enemy that she overlooks instances where their agenda and hers overlap, but she has the excuse of indoctrination in the practices of the Tower and her Ajah’s feuds and prejudices. Egwene is prejudiced with no cause! She favors the Green and thinks that it is a “pity” a sister she has a good opinion of “found her way to the Red.” And yet people are going to cite her lack of an Ajah as a point in her favor as a candidate for Amyrlin. True she brings no factional baggage – but Egwene being Egwene, she makes her own baggage! What has the Red Ajah done to offend her so anyway? Protect the world from another Breaking? Recall back in Lord of Chaos, when discussing Galina’s theoretical Ajah, Rand, a man who can channel and a natural enemy of the Red Ajah is open to the idea of working with them and accepts the possibility that the Reds could see reason. Egwene, Ms Neutrality herself, so praised for her refusal to reciprocate against the Reds Elaida’s disbandment of the Blues, arrogating to herself authority over an Ajah that does not want her (and her entire claim rests on the validity of the principle that an Amyrlin cannot impose herself on sisters who do not recognize her as such), even back then sneers at the idea that a Red could be friendly or sympathetic to Rand.

07:05 - And Egwene keeps on scoring points, not because of her brilliant moves, but because she’s up against clueless idiots. Katerine “has no choice” but to take back the cup? Why are they even affording her the courtesy of drinking it herself? She should be getting dosed via funnel to impose on her the helplessness of her situation! If she hands the cup back, she should be punished for not asking a sister to take it back and made to hold it. And a weave to make it freezing cold should be placed on it. If she doesn’t give back the cup, she gets punished on suspicious of attempted theft! And why is she allowed to linger? She should be dragged to Elaida’s study by the scruff of her neck to teach her that it is NOT up to her where or when she goes! Is THIS what the Black Ajah have come to? Katerine doesn’t even know the very basics of breaking people! Even I can see this, and I’m not any kind of pro. You have to adapt to your subject. If the subject makes a point of pride of doing things himself, you strip them of the dignity. If he is embracing his helplessness to maintain the mindset that he is not cooperating, but is being forced, you make him participate in his own coerced actions. And how long is it going to take them to try something other than punishments fit only for children who lack a proper perspective? Why aren’t they making her do degrading, arduous and useless labor, or exiling her to a farm somewhere? Once again, Egwene is bowling in the bumper lane and is pleased with herself for not rolling a gutter ball!

08:28 - A “conspicuous” amount of red, worn by Katerine is…a red dress slashed with black, and dark hair. Wow. Egwene really doesn’t like seeing red. And “what more could they do to her?” Well, if she was in the hands of halfway intelligent people … she seems to forget that she’s living under a suspended death sentence. Other characters manage defiance or serenity in the face of obvious danger. Egwene does so because she cannot imagine the obvious danger! And what is the deal with Katerine and the black? Is she flaunting her true Ajah?

09:55 - Were the rebels the ones to formally declare war? Were the rebels the ones to single out the Reds for public humiliation? Egwene thinks she’s getting the last word merely because her adversaries cannot be bothered to give the obvious responses.

10:45 - And after her followers spread lies singling out the Reds, Egwene wonders why they don’t ditch Elaida as an embarrassment to the Ajah – does Egwene not comprehend how these hostile actions might have contributed to a bunker mentality.

13:00 - And she’s still going on about the garbage in the street! How does she feel about one of the “great cities” having its lifeblood choked off by her plotting?

14:00 - Well Egwene DOES realize the obvious about her prospects for execution. That’s something of a relief.

14:46 - The Dark One’s an art critic! These bubbles of evil are getting more and more impressive.

15:25 - Egwene doesn’t have time to worry about the Dark One coming! She has a Tower to perfect! Maybe considering the Dark One’s effects on the Pattern might give her some perspective on her course of action and its slow pace.

18:10 - Egwene just realized something is more important than her pride! Whatever else Elaida has done, she has taught Egwene some perspective! She deserves a pardon for all offenses for that achievement alone!

20:36 - Now Egwene is engaging in mental hagiography over Siuan’s perfect decorating style. 8} The woman WAS incompetent, and not too far removed from Elaida in her views on Rand. Someone’s own private quarters should be functional and not distracting? What is her problem? Obviously, Egwene is nit-picking over nonsense to reassure herself of her “rival’s” wrongdoing. Had Elaida’s rooms been as plain and simple as the Winespring Inn, she would be at fault for failing to uphold the dignity and majesty of the Amyrlin Seat.

22:21 - Oooh. So much for her resolution to let Elaida win. Egwene can’t be in the room five seconds without getting in trouble.

22:55 - HAH! Egwene & Elaida have identical perspectives on the sisters’ performance of their duties and how Silviana measures up. This is the true measure of Elaida’s iniquity – she thinks just like Egwene!

25:00 - Elaida’s pretty good at the torture stuff… it’s the same old deal with incompetent minions again. She has to leave Egwene to losers like Katerine.

25:45 - And Elaida is bad for keeping an uncovered spy close? Like all of Egwene’s friends do? And she should be nice to a woman who is not only spying for rebels who have falsely accused Elaida of monstrous crimes, but is attempting to take personal advantage of a friendship with Elaida.

26:30 - This is actually pretty interesting. I think serving food is the most useful Egwene has been in any function over the course of the series.

29:05 - Oh, power changes people. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that Egwene had been WRONG about Elaida on her first analysis. 8} And she never considers the fact that “power changes people” might apply to herself, of course.

‘It appeared that holding the Amyrlin Seat had taken Egwene’s thirst for power and recognition and turned them into a messiah complex and made her furiously incapable of witnessing someone holding a different opinion.’

30:30 - And Elaida is bad because she does not listen to Egwene’s dream warning, which incidentally would boost Egwene’s credibility and thus hurt Elaida’s? How much credence did Egwene and her people give to Nicola’s Foretellings? For the most part they laughed them off as exaggerations and unbelievable!

32:45 - And NOW Egwene is mad about Elaida’s proposed Oath. First, she equates a change in the Oaths with eliminating them altogether. Egwene is now on record as claiming that the SPECIFIC Three Oaths are sacrosanct and perfect, as if they have been handed down from the Creator! Adding to or altering the Oath does not undo the principle behind them. According to Egwene, the Tower may not change what it has done! Because Aes Sedai once used certain Oaths, all Aes Sedai forever must use them and only them, no matter how unsuited or wrong they might turn out to be. And if there is one woman in the history of the universe who should not dare think that an oath of obedience to the Amyrlin is wrong, it is Egwene, who has forced oaths of fealty on sisters through blackmail. And blackmail offenses that include helping one of Egwene’s friends survive the loss of his warder bond. And a girl who threatened Sitters in the Hall with being birched for sarcasm is judging Elaida? This is why the US Constitution protects congressmen from legal penalties for words spoken on the floor of Congress.

34:10 - So Egwene’s solution to hearing things she does not like is to dump out increasingly rare food? What about self-control? An alien concept to Egwene, apparently.

37:00 - And Egwene cites the right of the Amyrlin to demand obedience from Meidani! And she is mad at Elaida for expecting the same thing! We know that Elaida is being disobeyed on the issue of the cleaning of Tar Valon, so does that not logically suggest Elaida is right?

37:40 - Crap. I KNEW IT! Egwene is going to get credit for the Black Ajah hunters! THEY were the ones who set Meidani on Elaida, and Egwene has unwittingly associated herself with them by saying she appreciates what Meidani is doing with Elaida! Now Meidani is going to think the hunters are working for Egwene, and this will spread to her credit, of course.

38:55 - “Forced to drop the soup”? Even recognizing her own faults, she is still dodging full blame. “She’d underestimated how infuriating Elaida could be…” so it’s all Elaida’s fault in her head. Of course.

41:12 - “Ends of the loaf”!! Truly Egwene is a marvel for enduring such sufferings! And to think we felt pity for Rand’s meager sufferings.

42:25 - Finally! Egwene has realized the reality of her duty. I commented on this a while back, and once again, a character realizes I’m right a book later. She finally sees that tearing down the Tower from within because it does not serve her is hypocritical.

42:55 - Annnnd the arrogance is back. Rand MUST be screwing up without her guiding him! When did she EVER guide him, after he proclaimed himself? EVERYTHING he has accomplished has been without her help, but he is surely running amok without her input. 8}

45:00 - And Egwene laughs at the idiocy of her beatings, but she is the one who in CoT, refused the idea of surrendering to Elaida because Elaida was going to spank Egwene’s precious “daughters” and make them pretend to join other Ajahs?

All in all, aside from her revelation that her supposed tour de force in the last book was wrong-minded and that she has had the wrong attitude so far, this chapter has not been all that new for Egwene. It’s more of the same triviality of KoD, blown up in her mind to the crucial struggle on which the world rests, with more hypocrisy that her fans have no doubt plastered all over RAFO.com as evidence of her sanctity.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7118 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1870 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1080 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1716 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 928 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 978 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1385 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1319 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1240 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1891 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 1972 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 851 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1012 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 909 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1393 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1501 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1393 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1565 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1569 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1575 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1509 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1447 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1426 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1640 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1537 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1438 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1402 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1475 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1417 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1400 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1508 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1534 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1572 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1423 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1407 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1323 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1340 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1364 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1373 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1151 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1411 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1270 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1309 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1400 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2127 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1518 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1442 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1622 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1218 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1497 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1400 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1303 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 896 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1466 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1237 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1367 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1458 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1519 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1601 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1437 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1475 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1572 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1251 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1328 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1311 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1399 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1231 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1419 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1517 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 834 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1412 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1590 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1199 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1556 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1254 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1420 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1188 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1329 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1366 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1409 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1327 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1588 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1073 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1479 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1595 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1426 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1359 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1483 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1266 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1432 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1380 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1650 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1555 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1492 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1247 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1406 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1358 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 814 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1540 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1432 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1392 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1450 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 911 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1342 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1238 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1360 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1375 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1474 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1475 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1406 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1167 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1277 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1266 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1469 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1264 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1296 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1363 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1383 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1367 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1219 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1336 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1393 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1249 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 906 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1144 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1320 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1357 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1347 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1279 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1227 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1279 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1362 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1606 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1426 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1306 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 869 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1324 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1279 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1430 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1353 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1495 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1459 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1311 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 896 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 932 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1215 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1345 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1355 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1364 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1367 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1479 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1375 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1193 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1297 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1443 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1449 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1102 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1529 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1397 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1217 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1355 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1329 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1385 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1421 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1241 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1318 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1408 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 881 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1327 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1268 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1316 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1529 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1330 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1247 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1311 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 865 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1210 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1314 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1169 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1394 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1143 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1303 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1328 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1395 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1386 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1199 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1331 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1304 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1364 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1297 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1308 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1623 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 810 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1376 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1125 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1315 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1237 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1211 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 849 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1437 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1361 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1468 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1354 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 974 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1409 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1441 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 886 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1211 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1212 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1434 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1338 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1301 Views

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