Active Users:1536 Time:17/12/2025 06:19:50 AM
Agreed Sidious Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM
With Cadsuane mid-to-high 30s, Eg/Avi/El at 40, Nynaeve at 65, etc. Androl, meanwhile, is probably around 4 or 5. I see him as similar to Morgase, only a little more powerful.


I would agree with this.

Egwene said that she would need to link with Romanda and Lelaine to be able to challenge one of the Forsaken, and she's directly been exposed to Lanfear's strength. It seems that in a circle of three, Egwene and those two women equal approximately Lanfear's strength. This is similar to a mixed circle of three equaling Demandred's power, and also similar to Moiraine's statement that Egwene and Aviendha together would equal a Forsaken in strength. The only logical ratios are Moiraine/Romanda/Lelaine on 25 and Egwene/Flinn on 50.

There is no way in hell Moiraine is 60% as strong as Lanfear. If Rand can match any three women who are not Forsaken strength then all of those women must be below 50 in power. Kiruna believes that six Aes Sedai would not be able to take Rand and she backs this up with evidence that previous False Dragons of great power could not be overwhelmed and were often killed or stilled if only six went for them. You'd have to be dimwitted to think that six women have a combined strength of approximately 300 and cannot overwhelm men of a third of that strength. Its much more likely that six women have similar strength to one high powered male and can barely match him. Five women can hardly hold a shield on Logain - imagine actually matching his channeling power.

Moiraine's strength is 30 at best, especially because Aviendha tells Egwene that she is more powerful than Amys and Melaine combined, and both are women with significant strength. What is Egwene's strength... 100?

Androl's strength is probably 5 (he's more like Sorilea and can channel fully, unlike Morgase who's not really a channeler with her negligible weakness). If he links with someone whose strength is 24 he will be exposed to many magnitudes of his own natural strength. It substantiates little regarding Pevara's strength and considering she's close to Moiraine in strength, its likely she's stronger than most Asha'man.

Most men and women lie between 10 and 20 in strength. Higher values can't be substantiated by the majority of the quotes in the series.
Wheel of Time board admin
Fan of Lanfear
This message last edited by Sidious on 25/10/2012 at 08:38:29 PM
Reply to message
Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3007 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 800 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1032 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1309 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1300 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 944 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1198 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1484 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1245 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1294 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1291 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1302 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1270 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1148 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1285 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 716 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1360 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1052 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1413 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1085 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1204 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1161 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1209 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1206 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1217 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1207 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1119 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1134 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1082 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1153 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1131 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1056 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1198 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1166 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1230 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1225 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1003 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1313 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 998 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1090 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1162 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1025 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1033 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1011 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1229 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1011 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1119 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1198 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 985 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1144 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 974 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1016 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 964 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1170 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1122 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1023 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1113 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1035 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1073 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1055 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1442 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1081 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1186 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1036 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1024 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1039 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1072 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 994 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1025 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1037 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1088 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1116 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1022 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 997 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 984 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 986 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1167 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 990 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1039 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1048 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1190 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 970 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1067 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 995 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 964 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1152 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1002 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1048 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 991 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 940 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1029 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1590 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1020 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1068 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1023 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1150 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1063 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1124 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1048 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1111 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1051 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1014 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1109 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1040 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1072 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1008 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1014 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1033 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1167 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1154 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 714 Views

Reply to Message