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Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM
3. Androl draws on Pevara's ability and starts to lift objects in the room. Most interestingly she cannot see the weaves even though he's weaving with saidar too. I was wondering whether this was a mistake. When Sammael linked with Graendal the Shaido Wise Ones said that she was weaving a barrier. He was using saidar and they could see it, though this chapter implies that if a male leads a circle he actually uses saidar to reinforce his weaves. In a way he 'converts' it to saidin... Pevara even wonders if he is filtering it.


Women can't see male weaves, and vice versa, but the leader of the circle can see both. The Wise Ones could only see the saidar, and therefore assumed that Graendal was weaving. Sammael, being far more experienced with the True Source, could probably weave saidar in a competent manner.


Pevara said that he was weaving with saidar though she could not see the weaves. She thought perhaps that he was filtering her power.

Sammael was definitely weaving with saidar. We've seen Semirhage weave with saidin.


Yeah, Pevara would likely understand how this really works only the day she'd lead in a mixed gender circle. It seems only the leader can see the weaves he/she makes with the power of the other gender, the circle members of the wrong gender don't.

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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2875 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 733 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 990 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1212 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1149 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 854 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1133 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1368 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1180 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1224 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1220 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1240 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1120 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1073 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1158 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 646 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1273 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 951 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1299 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1018 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1104 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1075 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1127 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1086 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1132 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1084 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 992 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1007 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 998 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1058 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1055 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 981 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1084 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1068 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1090 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1138 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 819 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1166 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 939 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1024 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1042 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 945 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 961 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 917 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1126 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 904 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1041 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1130 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 889 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1020 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 899 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 952 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 894 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1034 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1040 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 924 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 975 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 944 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 974 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 988 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1323 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1005 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1067 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 948 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 954 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 943 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 960 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 929 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 940 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 971 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 990 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1007 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 946 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 932 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 922 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 919 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1058 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 917 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 956 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 915 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1067 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 905 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 949 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 931 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 851 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1064 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 902 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 977 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 929 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 873 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 961 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1493 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 920 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 969 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 953 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1031 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 994 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 992 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 973 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 929 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1007 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 903 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 930 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 961 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 973 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1010 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 937 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 945 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 964 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1106 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1060 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 644 Views

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