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Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA Send a noteboard - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM
3. Androl draws on Pevara's ability and starts to lift objects in the room. Most interestingly she cannot see the weaves even though he's weaving with saidar too. I was wondering whether this was a mistake. When Sammael linked with Graendal the Shaido Wise Ones said that she was weaving a barrier. He was using saidar and they could see it, though this chapter implies that if a male leads a circle he actually uses saidar to reinforce his weaves. In a way he 'converts' it to saidin... Pevara even wonders if he is filtering it.


Women can't see male weaves, and vice versa, but the leader of the circle can see both. The Wise Ones could only see the saidar, and therefore assumed that Graendal was weaving. Sammael, being far more experienced with the True Source, could probably weave saidar in a competent manner.


Pevara said that he was weaving with saidar though she could not see the weaves. She thought perhaps that he was filtering her power.

Sammael was definitely weaving with saidar. We've seen Semirhage weave with saidin.


Yeah, Pevara would likely understand how this really works only the day she'd lead in a mixed gender circle. It seems only the leader can see the weaves he/she makes with the power of the other gender, the circle members of the wrong gender don't.

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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3073 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 841 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1052 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1341 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1374 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 990 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1238 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1553 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1288 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1338 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1331 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1341 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1317 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1192 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1347 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 748 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1410 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1108 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1464 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1116 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1255 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1211 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1246 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1260 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1264 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1273 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1198 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1183 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1128 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1198 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1182 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1100 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1243 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1209 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1318 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1275 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1107 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1387 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1050 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1133 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1228 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1067 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1072 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1062 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1268 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1048 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1162 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1243 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1028 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1217 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1020 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1058 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1011 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1226 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1162 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1063 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1183 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1095 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1120 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1100 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1494 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1131 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1226 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1087 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1072 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1081 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1132 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1038 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1075 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1079 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1149 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1178 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1067 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1041 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1025 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1041 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1229 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1031 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1089 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1094 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1242 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1003 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1121 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1039 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1029 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1198 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1049 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1084 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1041 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 986 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1062 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1657 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1079 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1123 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1060 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1209 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1102 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1180 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1088 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1060 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1169 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1107 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1070 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1171 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1088 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1112 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1051 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1052 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1079 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1202 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1203 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 746 Views

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