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Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM
Because, (to use the simplest possible example), on a Bell Curve the strongest possible channeler will be exactly twice the strength of the average channeler[...]


That's actually not the case. There is no upper limit inherent in a bell curve, though there may of course be one in this particular case.

Hence the Bell Curve cannot apply to the modern day distribution of known channelers.


Ah, ok. Then I guess we agree.


Well, unless the Bell Curve is intersected by "zero" on the lower side, the problem would be that there must be room on the strength scale for equivalent outliers on both sides.

Meaning that if you have a freakishly strong channeler on the upper side that is 10 standard deviations above the mean, then there must be equal room on the lower side for a very weak channeler that is 10 standard deviations below the mean.

Meaning that the average channeler must fall exactly halfway between these two extremes, given the perfectly symmetrical Bell Curve that is being implied here.
This message last edited by Shannow on 26/10/2012 at 02:02:45 PM
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2876 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 733 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 990 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1212 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1150 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 856 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1134 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1368 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1181 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1225 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1221 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1241 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1121 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1074 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1158 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 646 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1274 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 952 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1301 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1020 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1106 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1076 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1129 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1087 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1132 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1086 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 992 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1008 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 999 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1058 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1056 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 982 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1085 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1070 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1091 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1140 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 820 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1167 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 940 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1025 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1043 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 947 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 962 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 962 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 919 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1127 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 905 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1041 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1131 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1025 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 890 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1020 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 901 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 953 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 895 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1035 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1041 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 925 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 976 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 945 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 975 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 988 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1324 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1006 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1068 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 950 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 955 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 945 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 961 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 930 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 941 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 972 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 991 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1007 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 947 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 932 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 923 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 920 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1058 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 918 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 956 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 916 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1067 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 906 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 950 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 931 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 851 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1065 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 903 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 977 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 929 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 874 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 961 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1493 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 921 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 969 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 955 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1033 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 995 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 888 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 944 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 992 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 974 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 930 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1007 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 904 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 931 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 963 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 974 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1010 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 937 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 945 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 966 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 973 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1106 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1062 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 644 Views
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