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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
I cannot comment on their state of mind. They dogmatically try and fit the data into the Bell Curve distribution, which simply cannot apply in the way that they wish it to. The evidence refutes it.


I get the impression that what they are disputing is that the distribution of strengths has changed since the Age of Legends.


We need to take a step back to understand that argument.

We have established that a normal distribution (Bell Curve) does not represent channeler strength as demonstrated in the books.

In order to therefore try and solve this problem, I have proposed various potential solutions. ONE of these potential solutions was that the distribution has changed since the Age of Legends.

But that is only a solution proposed to try and make the data fit the Bell Curve requirement. In other words, because the data patently does not represent a Bell Curve TODAY, the only way to make a Bell Curve fit, is to propose that a DIFFERENT distribution applied to it in the Age of Legends.

But that is not necessary if you accept the possibility of a skewed distribution, which by definition then is not a Bell Curve.

A skewed distribution is what you are advocating, and which I firmly believe is a true representation of channeler strength.

But those vocal supporters of the Bell Curve will most certainly not support a skewed distribution. Hence, we are back to square one as far as they are concerned.

This message last edited by Shannow on 29/10/2012 at 11:05:18 AM
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1622 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 995 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1584 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 973 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 838 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 822 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 922 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 818 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 902 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1140 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 917 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 860 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 856 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 855 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 870 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 906 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 818 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 796 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 805 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 959 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 818 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 757 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 771 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 863 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 772 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 858 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 785 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 791 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 792 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 781 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1551 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1065 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 889 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 741 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1560 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1124 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 893 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 894 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 729 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 810 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 904 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 420 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 848 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 782 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 801 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 859 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 870 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 905 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 940 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 923 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 930 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 488 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 843 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 772 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 888 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 732 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1393 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 830 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 839 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 791 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 970 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 903 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 895 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 810 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1136 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 912 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 786 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 922 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 883 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 772 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1059 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 930 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 916 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 893 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 879 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 885 Views
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