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Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM


It's only not random if the method for selection is likely to be correlated with what you are testing.

This is flat out wrong.
To produce a deviation as large as the one we are discussing here, a systematic bias is clearly needed.
No it isn't. You cannot expect a non-deviant result from a self-selected sample. Stop trying to insist otherwise. This is mathematical fact, not a matter of opinion.
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1783 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 1135 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1708 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 1105 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 954 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 939 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 1058 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 932 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 1028 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1281 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 1050 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 994 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 978 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 973 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 1000 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 1037 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 946 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 933 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 934 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 1116 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 931 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 878 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 899 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 984 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 904 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 992 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 916 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 918 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 908 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 897 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1697 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1208 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 1023 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 870 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1688 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1272 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 1015 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 1040 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 849 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 942 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 1023 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 487 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 997 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 908 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 927 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 981 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 1006 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 1055 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 1079 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 1068 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1057 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 554 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 977 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 900 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 1010 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 854 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1519 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 958 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 973 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 912 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 1112 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 1037 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 1033 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 933 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1279 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 1050 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 920 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 1082 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 1025 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 900 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1210 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 1079 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 1063 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 1030 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 1007 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 1022 Views
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