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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
I cannot comment on their state of mind. They dogmatically try and fit the data into the Bell Curve distribution, which simply cannot apply in the way that they wish it to. The evidence refutes it.


I get the impression that what they are disputing is that the distribution of strengths has changed since the Age of Legends.


We need to take a step back to understand that argument.

We have established that a normal distribution (Bell Curve) does not represent channeler strength as demonstrated in the books.

In order to therefore try and solve this problem, I have proposed various potential solutions. ONE of these potential solutions was that the distribution has changed since the Age of Legends.

But that is only a solution proposed to try and make the data fit the Bell Curve requirement. In other words, because the data patently does not represent a Bell Curve TODAY, the only way to make a Bell Curve fit, is to propose that a DIFFERENT distribution applied to it in the Age of Legends.

But that is not necessary if you accept the possibility of a skewed distribution, which by definition then is not a Bell Curve.

A skewed distribution is what you are advocating, and which I firmly believe is a true representation of channeler strength.

But those vocal supporters of the Bell Curve will most certainly not support a skewed distribution. Hence, we are back to square one as far as they are concerned.

This message last edited by Shannow on 29/10/2012 at 11:05:18 AM
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1811 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 1173 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1743 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 1134 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 977 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 961 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 1078 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 965 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 1049 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1314 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 1076 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 1018 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 1001 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 1004 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 1028 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 1063 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 966 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 958 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 967 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 1146 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 956 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 898 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 921 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 1018 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 931 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 1020 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 945 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 934 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 925 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 917 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1724 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1227 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 1045 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 899 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1725 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1298 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 1038 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 1062 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 880 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 961 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 1043 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 497 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 1023 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 927 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 948 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 1008 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 1033 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 1081 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 1107 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 1091 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1086 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 568 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 1019 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 930 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 1053 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 876 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1551 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 996 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 995 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 946 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 1149 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 1076 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 1051 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 968 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1304 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 1073 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 939 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 1111 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 1050 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 921 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1238 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 1103 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 1099 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 1064 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 1031 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 1051 Views
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