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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow Send a noteboard - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
I cannot comment on their state of mind. They dogmatically try and fit the data into the Bell Curve distribution, which simply cannot apply in the way that they wish it to. The evidence refutes it.


I get the impression that what they are disputing is that the distribution of strengths has changed since the Age of Legends.


We need to take a step back to understand that argument.

We have established that a normal distribution (Bell Curve) does not represent channeler strength as demonstrated in the books.

In order to therefore try and solve this problem, I have proposed various potential solutions. ONE of these potential solutions was that the distribution has changed since the Age of Legends.

But that is only a solution proposed to try and make the data fit the Bell Curve requirement. In other words, because the data patently does not represent a Bell Curve TODAY, the only way to make a Bell Curve fit, is to propose that a DIFFERENT distribution applied to it in the Age of Legends.

But that is not necessary if you accept the possibility of a skewed distribution, which by definition then is not a Bell Curve.

A skewed distribution is what you are advocating, and which I firmly believe is a true representation of channeler strength.

But those vocal supporters of the Bell Curve will most certainly not support a skewed distribution. Hence, we are back to square one as far as they are concerned.

This message last edited by Shannow on 29/10/2012 at 11:05:18 AM
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1377 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 758 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1321 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 775 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 628 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 628 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 717 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 613 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 698 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 908 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 650 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 646 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 661 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 649 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 671 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 685 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 604 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 557 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 601 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 751 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 619 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 556 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 552 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 665 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 557 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 618 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 570 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 576 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 583 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 579 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1235 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 830 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 626 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 511 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1268 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 791 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 595 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 586 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 531 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 605 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 698 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 320 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 615 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 566 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 595 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 636 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 654 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 664 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 731 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 661 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 706 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 357 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 630 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 573 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 678 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 522 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1171 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 603 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 605 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 551 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 741 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 689 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 678 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 607 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 879 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 667 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 598 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 716 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 664 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 501 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 735 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 675 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 673 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 701 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 659 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 675 Views
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