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Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM


Actually, that's probably not even true. I guess people who want to go to university also have a bell curve IQ, but probably with a higher average than the general population.

Well, if we're basing this on guess work...
In any case, it is perfecly reasonable that high IQ is correlated with wanting to go to university. It is not perfecly reasonable that being a potentially strong channeler is correlated with wanting to become Aes Sedai, since most people don't know they can channel when they decide.

Why does high IQ tie in with wanting to go to university? Remember, I'm not talking about successfully entering university, or succeeding once in. I'm talking about the desire to go at all, and not because of social or financial pressures, but due to active curiosity and need to learn.

So instead of choosing a self consistent approach, like for example having them recruit only 200 novices, he ignores his previous comment about the 62.5%.

Serisouly, there is no point throwing out numbers like 62.5% if he just ignores them whenever it's convenient.

He has not contradicted himself. The 62.5% is a global average. Every minuscule subset doesn't have to adhere to it. This fact allowed him to reduce the AS intake of the Rebels, to ramp up tension without sacrificing the rules he built up.

Again, it could well be that people from Norther Alatara are generally weaker in the power. I can't argue against that.

I don't think so. We have no idea what the average strength of those 200 women is, or indeed what the numbers are for Northern Altaran women who're 18 years old or younger.
Though if that were the case, why couldn't the bell curve have shifted since the Age of Legends, for genetic reasons?

Because genetics has nothing to do with strength?
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 3188 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* TheCrownless - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 912 Views
Androl did. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 1103 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? TheCrownless - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1415 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1541 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? nigelgoboom - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 1062 Views
I think it's slightly off darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1328 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Great Lord of Chaos - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1684 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1360 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications DomA - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1418 Views
Travelling Tor - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1397 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine Sidious - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1411 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1375 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 1256 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine Tor - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1425 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 821 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine DomA - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1482 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 1219 Views
How strong Pevara is... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1585 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... DREWRULESWOT! - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 1183 Views
Agreed Sidious - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1325 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 1286 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve Sidious - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1309 Views
That was disproved long ago... fionwe1987 - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 1374 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1330 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 1396 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves DREWRULESWOT! - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 1315 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 1284 Views
Not accurate darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 1206 Views
The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 1261 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 1256 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 1176 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 1308 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 1275 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 1466 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Shannow - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1356 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 1314 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1540 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 1112 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... Tor - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 1216 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 1347 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 1130 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Shannow - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 1142 Views
Re: I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:44:02 PM 1240 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 1130 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. DomA - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1333 Views
So what's your conclusion? Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 1111 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 1236 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1310 Views
you do realize that is an impossible question to answer from the books right? darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:50:02 PM 1311 Views
Excellent points... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 1099 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 1324 Views
You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 1084 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 1125 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 1071 Views
Re: You seem confused. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 1346 Views
Re: You seem confused. Tor - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 1226 Views
He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 1127 Views
Re: He drew graphs! Tor - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 1335 Views
Re: He drew graphs! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 1187 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 1201 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 1177 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1621 Views
Re: Excellent points... Tor - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 1209 Views
Re: Excellent points... DomA - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 1291 Views
AS recruiting is minimal darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 1161 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 1158 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: Tor - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 1151 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 1244 Views
Re: Huh? Tor - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 1106 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 1149 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 1142 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 1270 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop Tor - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 1302 Views
Geography alone can do this darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 1131 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this Tor - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 1111 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 1108 Views
Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 1109 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 1336 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 1097 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 1157 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 1167 Views
Genetics plays a role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 1344 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 1070 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... Tor - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 1187 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 1139 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 1139 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 1272 Views
Re: Nope... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 1114 Views
Oh my... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 1141 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! Tor - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 1113 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 1060 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results Tor - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 1136 Views
LOL darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1773 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same Tor - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 1195 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 1223 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories Tor - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 1129 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 1319 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Shannow - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 1166 Views
Re: The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. Tor - 28/10/2012 07:27:26 PM 1171 Views
There is not a single quote in the series that states Moiraine is less than half the strength darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 10:31:28 PM 1223 Views
How is this fact? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 1281 Views
Re: How is this fact? Sidious - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 1162 Views
Not so darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 1119 Views
Re: Not so Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 1281 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 1237 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 1133 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... Sidious - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 1236 Views
Are you blind man? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 1159 Views
Re: Are you blind man? Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 1179 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 1114 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 1127 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! Tor - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 1139 Views
Well the most obvious thing is that RJ was quoted on the subject any number of times darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 11:34:18 PM 1261 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking darius_sedai - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1281 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 1315 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* darius_sedai - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 815 Views
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