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Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM


It's only not random if the method for selection is likely to be correlated with what you are testing.

This is flat out wrong.
To produce a deviation as large as the one we are discussing here, a systematic bias is clearly needed.
No it isn't. You cannot expect a non-deviant result from a self-selected sample. Stop trying to insist otherwise. This is mathematical fact, not a matter of opinion.
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1602 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 977 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1562 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 955 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 821 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 803 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 903 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 804 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 886 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1124 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 899 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 843 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 841 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 837 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 854 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 893 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 801 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 775 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 792 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 940 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 807 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 741 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 753 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 846 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 757 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 842 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 769 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 776 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 777 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 763 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1532 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1046 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 870 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 726 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1546 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1102 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 880 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 867 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 715 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 794 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 890 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 414 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 833 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 768 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 779 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 845 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 854 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 888 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 925 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 899 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 907 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 484 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 826 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 759 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 874 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 717 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1377 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 812 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 828 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 777 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 955 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 886 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 879 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 797 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1119 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 891 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 771 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 912 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 865 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 760 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1037 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 911 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 890 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 875 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 858 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 868 Views
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