Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM
More accurately, violent disgust.
So, Elaida is a power-obsessed despot. That's nothing new. But she used to be a formidable power-obsessed despot. Where is your knitting or your ivory figurines, Elaida? When she sent Alviarin crying to Mesaana in Crossroads of Twilight (and some people say nothing happened in that book...) I figured, 'this is what happens when you mess with this power-obsessed despot'. Elaida was a tyrannical egotist, but she got things done. Shrieking like a caricature over spilled soup on her carpet? Not impressive.
So, Elaida is a power-obsessed despot. That's nothing new. But she used to be a formidable power-obsessed despot. Where is your knitting or your ivory figurines, Elaida? When she sent Alviarin crying to Mesaana in Crossroads of Twilight (and some people say nothing happened in that book...) I figured, 'this is what happens when you mess with this power-obsessed despot'. Elaida was a tyrannical egotist, but she got things done. Shrieking like a caricature over spilled soup on her carpet? Not impressive.
Elaida was never formidable. Oh she looked imposing to people who didn't know any better but it was all a front. She was always incompetent and never had her emotions under control.
What success can be laid at her feet?
She was raised to the Shawl in a very short time, and then became the White Tower's representative to one of their most important allies. She got Morgase (and Gareth Bryne) to follow Tower priorities, which was apparently difficult (though why is not something I'm too clear about). She overthrew Siuan, she broke the Black Ajah's stranglehold on the Amyrlin Seat. But more importantly, she has been described as formidable several times throughout the series, including by Siuan. Evidently, one cannot compare the perspective of the lost farmboy Rand in The Eye of the World to the perspective of a rival Amyrlin in this chapter, but there has still been a considerable shift in her characterisation. This is itself admitted in the work itself, when Egwene thinks: She joked - joked! - about how she had stolen the shawl from a woman, humiliating her to such an extent that she fled the Tower. Light! What had happened to Elaida? Egwene had met this woman before, and Elaida had struck her as stern, but not tyrannical. Power changed people. It appeared that, in Elaida's case, holding the Amyrlin Seat had taken her sternness and solemnity and replaced them with a heady sense of entitlement and cruelty.
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM
8310 Views
I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
2298 Views
Mind-numbingly boring...
- 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM
2801 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM
1420 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way.
- 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM
2289 Views
Chapter summary
- 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
2871 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM*
- 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM
1305 Views
I should disagree
- 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM
2442 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM
2355 Views
Re: Jordan left tons of background info in notes
- 27/09/2009 08:10:06 PM
2419 Views
Her entry in Encyclopaedia wot makes no mention of her being amyrlin *NM*
- 28/09/2009 01:17:49 AM
1366 Views
Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 09:46:34 PM
2440 Views
Re: Jordan could have easily added that to her backstory after LOC. It's been at least ten years.
- 28/09/2009 10:04:02 PM
2198 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM
2463 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower.
- 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM
2466 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing
- 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM
2440 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH?
- 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM
2371 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way!
- 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM
2441 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower?
- 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM
2389 Views
This made my morning happy.
- 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM
2374 Views
I think it's different.
- 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM
2500 Views
True.
- 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM
2474 Views
Re: True.
- 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM
2320 Views
I also think Egwene might free them from it once she becomes recognized Amyrlin *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
1420 Views
Re: I think it's different.
- 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM
2383 Views
There's still a difference...
- 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM
2241 Views
Re: There's still a difference...
- 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM
2259 Views
But...
- 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM
2255 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her.
- 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM
2474 Views
Is Alviarin finished?
- 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM
2399 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind
- 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM
2394 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too.
- 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM
2343 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM
2320 Views
Not finished it yet
- 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM
2466 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar
- 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM
2460 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her
- 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM
2199 Views
I doubt it - I'm of the opinion that Moridin may be next on SH's "personal attentions" list
- 25/09/2009 05:16:38 PM
2337 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy
- 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM
2324 Views
I liked it *Spoilers*
- 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM
2298 Views
I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM
2480 Views
Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM
2073 Views
Re: I think...
- 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM
2449 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well?
- 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM
2211 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid
- 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM
2279 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM*
- 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM
1512 Views
is she wrong?
- 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM
2363 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits
- 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM
2511 Views
Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM
2418 Views
Re: is she wrong?
- 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM
2210 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement
- 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM
2504 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT?
- 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM
2444 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM
2365 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen
- 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM
2265 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected
- 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM
2335 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM*
- 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM
1325 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM
2170 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property"
- 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM
2287 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM
2269 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly
- 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM
2351 Views
The title of book 13...
- 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM
2197 Views
Swing and a miss.
- 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM
2392 Views
As said
- 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM
2125 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A
- 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM
2229 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any?
- 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM
2176 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more
- 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM
2515 Views
I can't wait to actually read the chapter-- I thought it was very well written *NM*
- 25/09/2009 12:18:48 AM
1289 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath?
- 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM
2259 Views
I think it would serve as motivation for those who say "You don't have to like the Amrylin" to turn.
- 25/09/2009 06:08:19 AM
2252 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM
2419 Views
Re: The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would
- 26/09/2009 04:45:32 AM
2193 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes
- 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM
2216 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM*
- 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM
1342 Views
What about Mesaana?
- 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM
2113 Views
Definitely Mesana-- but I was wondering if the Shadar Logoth taint leaked onto Elaida a little
- 25/09/2009 07:43:24 PM
2355 Views
Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM
2272 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM
2236 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM
2254 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene
- 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM
2252 Views
That's not his argument though
- 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM
2109 Views
I think...
- 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM
2333 Views
Egwene and Mesaana
- 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM
2296 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene...
- 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM
2297 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM*
- 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM
1310 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod
- 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM
2217 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction.
- 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM
2032 Views
I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM
2269 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM
2040 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts.
- 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
2183 Views
She'll do everything to re-unite the Tower - except anything that could actually re-unite it
- 29/09/2009 02:26:10 AM
2270 Views
Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM
2240 Views
Re: Hmmm....
- 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM
2240 Views
Re: Hmmm....
- 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM
2235 Views
Elaida, Formidable?
- 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM
2366 Views
How do you figure?
- 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM
1987 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM
2264 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done?
- 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM
2124 Views
Oh yeah, and...
- 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM
2389 Views
The Dark One's Touch
- 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM
2339 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch
- 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM
2087 Views

