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Meh Datakim Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM

Datakim is trying to justify his actions, but Rand is cold and uncaring (much like a forsaken). Everyone who described him mention a darkness (actual dimming of light) that surrounds him. That is the concern.


Not all his actions, just this one. I am not focusing on Rand as a whole in this book. There is no question that he went completely insane. That is obvious. I am talking only of Graendals palace and whether he killed innocent people, or only released mindless drones from their suffering. And the balefire debate which seems to have taken a separate life, about whether Rand could have used balefire in a way that minimized the damage to the pattern by altering the width of the stream without increasing the power of it.

Threatening to kill the borderlanders, attacking his father, preparing to destroy Ebou Dar (and the civilians there) and threatening to destroy pattern are all acts of utter insanity and evil.

And I think the darkness was caused by the fact that Rand channeled the True Power. The very essence of the Dark One. I think without touching the TP, he could have become equally evil but lacked the darkness. TP caused that.
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I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1212 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 952 Views
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I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 959 Views
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Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1099 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1135 Views
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Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1086 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 525 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 988 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1003 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 970 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 532 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 935 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 528 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 970 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 925 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1071 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1031 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1009 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1073 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 964 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1070 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 913 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1011 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 985 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1011 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 937 Views
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Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 987 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 911 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1070 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1028 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1031 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 967 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1004 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 908 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 926 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1098 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 932 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 934 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1032 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 999 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 989 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1066 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 915 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 968 Views
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 949 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1097 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1066 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 994 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1032 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 930 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1067 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1009 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1011 Views
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I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1023 Views
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Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1333 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 909 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 939 Views

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