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Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM
Even Angelmar? Even Hurin? On a purely clinical basis, I agree that the army has shown little in the way of good faith towards Rand - but that's only considering half the equation.
And the only half worth considering.

The Borderlanders have been protecting Randland for a Millennia. Finally, the Dragon is reborn and they expect some support, but until the end of KoD, there is none. Instead, they hear about more trouble to the south - the False Dragon Taim who had killed thousands of Saldeans has been made the HEAD of a legion of insane male channellers, all by order of the Dragon, the man they are relying on. The White Tower is split and offers no support, the other countries are reeling from the Seanchan and Aiel invasions, so isn't it logical for the Borderlanders to assume that the real threat isn't in Trolloc hordes (especially if 50 channelers can kill 100,000 Trollocs a la KoD), but rather in the dissension and division to the south.
I fully understand this, and have justified their position at length elsewhere. But if we have to excuse their ignorance, we have to give Rand the same benefit. He has no more way of knowing their good intentions than they have of knowing his.

If Rand was completely sane, he would immediately see this. But his astrologically-proportioned ego and paranoia are blinding him.
He is the one indispensible figure in the struggle against the Shadow. His ego is not out of proportion when this fact is taken into consideration. And it isn't paranoia if they really ARE out to get you. Everywhere Rand turns, people are lashing out at him in favor of their own interests. He gave the Borderlanders a chance. He owes them no more than that.

So instead of at least asking Hurin to bring him more information, he considers destroying an entire city and army camp. Not everyone in that camp is even a soldier - many are cooks, cleaners, wives (who we are told accompany their husbands in the case of Saldea), children, who have all been led their by trusted monarchs who have never done wrong by them.
Sucks to be them. It does not matter how trustworthy an individual is - if they lead you wrong, you still suffer the consequences. The German military had never been "done wrong" by their political leadership up until World War Two. Should they be excused their participation in the atrocities they committed? You don't get a pass for blindly following a leader when you step off a cliff, and people who decide to follow an army have to accept the risks that come with it. Rand did not invite any of them to come, and he is not responsible for their safety. Rather, it is the obligation of the rulers who choose to hide behind the skirts of all thos cooks and wives, rather than come to meet Rand in person and risk their own skins.

For Rand to jump instantly to feeling distrust, anger and fear towards the Borderlanders is more than just disconcerting.
Given all he has been through, and the degrees of betrayal and letdown he has experienced, NOT reacting that way would require superhuman virtue and tolerance.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1898 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 1336 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 1298 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 1335 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 1226 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 1054 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 1183 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 1107 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1194 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 1140 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 1171 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 1099 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 1165 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 1075 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 1193 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 1191 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 1148 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 1222 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 1039 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 1223 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 578 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 1096 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 1097 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 1056 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 586 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 1037 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 578 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 1078 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 1020 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 1181 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 1150 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1126 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 1118 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 1133 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 1110 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 1234 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 1068 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 1206 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 1052 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 1111 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 1087 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 1102 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 1116 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 1048 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 1130 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 1096 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 1012 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 1164 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 1139 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 1153 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 1063 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 1100 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 997 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 1025 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 1203 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 1047 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 1031 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 1122 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 1096 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 1085 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 1162 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 1022 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 1061 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 1144 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 1045 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 1214 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 1158 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 1093 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 1135 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 1049 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 1165 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 1118 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 1110 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 1048 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 1119 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 1304 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1422 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 998 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 1041 Views

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