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Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman Send a noteboard - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM
The mistake here is that Shai'tan attempting to free himself is not part of the Pattern or the turning of the Wheel. Even if the Wheel has turned for infinite time, Shai'tan is outside the Pattern, he has no had an infinite amount of chances to break free.


The DO prison is outside of the pattern, but within time. The entire pattern is probably his prison. He is a prisoner of time and has to abide by its constraints. (I am pretty sure the DO himself says somewhere that he cannot change time and bring back balefired ppl).
He wants to break free of his prison (which is really time) and create a new world or destroy time.
Since he is within time, he has had infinite chances to break free if we assume that the wheel turns infinitely. i.e. he has tried to break free again and again when each relevant age (or spoke of the wheel) comes round again.
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I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 893 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 653 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 676 Views
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Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 643 Views
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That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 589 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 561 Views
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I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 499 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 599 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 594 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 539 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 689 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 512 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 500 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 596 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 580 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 561 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 628 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 577 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 552 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 520 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 497 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 950 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 565 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 560 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 560 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 506 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 530 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 519 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 483 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 491 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 482 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 900 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 480 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 509 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 515 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 232 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 489 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 225 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 216 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 572 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 644 Views
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