Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder.
Tom Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM
People have a right to be irritated and angry whether or not Martin has an obligation. They bought the books based on Martin's assurances that he was working on finishing the series.
Gaiman's "contract" analogy is bad. There is a quasi-contract theory that is used in situations like this - reliance. Martin makes statements about a schedule of printing and we rely on them. I don't think Martin owes me the next book for my "$10" as Gaiman puts it, failing to realize that those of us who buy hardcovers pay more. However, under reliance theory he owes me a refund of the books that I bought in reliance that he would finish on time.
The interesting thing is that if angry Martin readers got together and sued, I'm not entirely sure that the case wouldn't succeed.
Gaiman's "contract" analogy is bad. There is a quasi-contract theory that is used in situations like this - reliance. Martin makes statements about a schedule of printing and we rely on them. I don't think Martin owes me the next book for my "$10" as Gaiman puts it, failing to realize that those of us who buy hardcovers pay more. However, under reliance theory he owes me a refund of the books that I bought in reliance that he would finish on time.
The interesting thing is that if angry Martin readers got together and sued, I'm not entirely sure that the case wouldn't succeed.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons....
- 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM
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It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two.
- 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM
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Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM*
- 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM
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Titles
- 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM
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Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam"
- 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM
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Nope, still doesn't work.
- 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
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I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else
- 18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM
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Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM*
- 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM
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I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks
- 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM
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Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM*
- 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM
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In your opinion, of course. *NM*
- 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM
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Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions.
- 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM
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I see the reason in that.
- 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM
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I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already
- 20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM
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I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off.
- 18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM
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Sometimes ...
- 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM
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Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder.
- 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM
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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety.
- 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM
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Was this well out of line, by any chance?
- 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM
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damn you are rude *NM*
- 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM
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Gosh. This is pretty tiring.
- 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM
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So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly?
- 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM
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Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM*
- 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM
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No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults.
- 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM
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Oh please. Grow some thicker skin.
- 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM
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You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been.
- 20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM
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"It" would have been. "It" was.
- 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM*
- 19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM
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I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM*
- 19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM
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Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM*
- 19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM
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That's the most valid point of the argument.
- 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM
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Agreed.
- 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM
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Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'.
- 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM
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But a promise was never made.
- 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM
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I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
- 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM
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Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin
- 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM
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This is where the great divide comes into play
- 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
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I think he should take a page out of RJ's book
- 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
- 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM
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Exceptions prove the rule...
- 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM
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