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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." Werthead Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM
I think you would be hard-pressed to argue, though, that writing three books in a series is not an implied promise to write the whole series. I don't think I've ever heard of an author who wrote two books in a series with no intention of ever completing the storyline. Or leaving all of the main story threads unresolved, and then leaning back and saying "Alright, now it's time for my ten-year hiatus, just as planned."


Well, David Gerrold has done this with his CHTORR series. So has David Brin. Brin in fact said when he started his popular UPLIFT series he would take long breaks to write other books. At the moment it's been ten years since the last UPLIFT book came out (which did not resolve the oustanding storylines) and his current plan is to write some prequels before getting back to the main series. Thirty years and six books after the series began, we still have no idea what the crew of the starship found on the alien wrecks (which is what started the whole saga in the first place), and the author is in no hurry to get there.

It wasn't planned, but Melanie Rawn's CAPITAL'S TOWER trilogy has also taken a ten-year break between the second and third books, and Rawn seems to be extremely hesitant and half-hearted about finishing the series (although there are other reasons for that relating to the death of a family member).

Don't get me wrong, I don't really give a crap about the legal debate from up above. I just feel like some Martin defenders like to trot out the "he never promised anybody anything" without seeming to understand why that argument is wholly unsatisfactory.


I understand that perfectly, but this is where the rest of the argument starts to look shaky because it is based on the precept that Martin has 1) taken lengthy sabbaticals from writing ADWD to work on other projects, which is not and never has been the case or 2) if the book had come out faster it would not have sucked, which is definitely not the case either.

The whole argument comes down to people wanting a rushed, crappy book rather than a decent one. Especially coming after the mixed-reception AFFC, this seems to be a rather odd thing to want for a fan of the series.
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that would be very counter productive - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 417 Views
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Agreed. - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 450 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 460 Views
But a promise was never made. - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 448 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 422 Views
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This is where the great divide comes into play - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 451 Views
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That would be the best policy. *NM* - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 366 Views
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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 439 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 420 Views
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