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Re: Exceptions prove the rule... Werthead Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM
As innumerable people have pointed out (I know you've seen this, I've pointed it out myself), Martin encourages the perception of "sabbaticals" when he constantly advertises (not just talks about, advertises) the thirty dozen other projects he's working on. You don't agree with that perception - I grasp that. However, you seem to have blinders on as to how other people could arrive at that perception.


This is a fair point, again brought about by dubious communications. The period when all that was being discussed was the merchandise and discussion of the book itself was stamped down on was rather weird, to say the least, and no-one would argue that the majority of fans of the series log into the blog looking for news on ADWD and are not interested in the other projects being discussed.

But at the same time there does need to be some perspective, which is often missing. The author has written precisely two non-ASoIaF-related pieces of fiction since somewhere around 1995. Yeah, he edits other books, but he's been doing that since long before AGoT came out. So why then assume that is the cause of delay on the new book when it was not the cause of delay in the past? It seems at best a superficial argument.

What interests me, as someone who finds the writing process fascinating, is the structural/character/location/timeline issues that have emerged in writing very long epic fantasy series and how different authors deal with them: Robert Jordan by plunging straight ahead and trying to write his way out of it, which led to two or three books of filler that probably weren't needed; Steven Erikson by just ignoring the issues and trying to paper over the inconcsistencies (which by now have become severely distracting); or GRRM by rewriting and rewriting and throwing half the book away and starting again. It would be really cool to see people talk about that, but they rarely do. I guess it's easier to say that the book's late because the author watches a football game once a week instead (as some people have suggested).

That's a strawman argument. Nobody wants "a rushed, crappy book rather than a decent one." Many people don't understand how a book that was "practically finished" in 2005 isn't done four years later. It's hard to convince someone that an extra four years is "rushed."


Again understandable, but also again a problem with communications, such as no-one ever saying that ADWD was 'practically finished' in 2005. The author did say a few times it was 'half' finished, which was really not a good idea (and we knew at the time that was not the case from GRRM's own comments on how much material he had finished), and certainly a major own goal.

As I have said before, this point is key: all of other explanations and news about the book being delayed are only to be found online, in interviews and so on where most people who read the books never get to read them, whilst the indication that the book should be out in 2006 is there in the back of AFFC where 100% of the people who read the series can see it. That's why I said the decision to keep that note in the book even when the book came out in paperback (in 2007, way past the indicated date) was a very bad one.
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1301 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 460 Views
lol Nice. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 452 Views
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Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 571 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 442 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 472 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 513 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 467 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 436 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 443 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 417 Views
I see the reason in that. - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 614 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 494 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 539 Views
You're the man, Wert. - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 523 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 413 Views
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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 515 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 549 Views
damn you are rude *NM* - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 433 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 584 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 548 Views
For several reasons. *NM* - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 407 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 465 Views
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What would you call a good start? - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 464 Views
Oh please. Grow some thicker skin. - 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM 455 Views
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That is factually incorrect. *NM* - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 405 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 483 Views
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Precisely. *NM* - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 407 Views
I half agree... - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 471 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 444 Views
Irony overdose. Again. - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 470 Views
WTF? - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 502 Views
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that would be very counter productive - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 442 Views
Depends on what you want. - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 434 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 496 Views
Agreed. - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 476 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 488 Views
But a promise was never made. - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 475 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 448 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 505 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 473 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 513 Views
Excellent point. - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 596 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 496 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 394 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 538 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 465 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 447 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 467 Views
I think we're winding down here. - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 469 Views
Yeah. - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 494 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 444 Views