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This is where the great divide comes into play Werthead Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
The problem I have with Martin is that he makes promises like he was a 10 year old. He gives promises again and again that seem to have little foundation in reality, and that annoys me. If a grown man(particularly someone in GRRMs age range) tells me he will be finished with something in 6 months, I believe him. Grown ups usually makes realistic promises, because in the real world people judge you by your actions. In no other line of work can you give so many empty promises and keep your job/not go out of business. GRRM is privileged in that way, he can supposedly live without worrying about honouring his promises. It would be nice if he acted professionally though, so I could respect him as a man, and not just enjoy his work.


Amongst the more critical crowd, there are two prevailing opinions about this:

Group A wants frequent updates on when the book is coming out, how the book is going, when is it coming out, what POV characters are in it, when is it coming out, how many chapters there are and when is it coming out.

Group B doesn't really care and actually hates it when ADWD is discussed. They'd rather there was no news and no dates bandied around at all for the book until it was finished.

In order to placate Group A, the author has said in the past what he thinks is a possible timescale for the book to come out (although he has never made 'hard promises' about such a date: each date, when given, has been surrounded by caveats and maybes). This then pisses off Group B. But when the author did shut up for about a year and didn't mention the book at all, Group B was happy but Group A got incredibly irate and started trolling message boards, posting crap on his blog, harassing other fans of the series etc until they did start getting dates again. At which point Group B got annoyed again.

It's a no-win scenario.
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1298 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* Animosity - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 458 Views
lol Nice. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 449 Views
It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. Tom - 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM 586 Views
Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM* DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM 495 Views
Titles Werthead - 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM 548 Views
Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam" Tom - 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM 592 Views
Nope, still doesn't work. Werthead - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 567 Views
I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else Tom - 18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM 518 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. imlad - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 439 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... Joker - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 466 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* Artsapat - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 509 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks Tom - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 464 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 434 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* IndigoAjah - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 439 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. Tom - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 414 Views
I see the reason in that. IndigoAjah - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 612 Views
I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already Brian - 20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM 530 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know Tom - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 491 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. Werthead - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 536 Views
You're the man, Wert. Joker - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 518 Views
I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off. Camilla - 18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM 449 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* Craig - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 411 Views
Very well, thanks DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 04:05:16 AM 488 Views
One thing I got to say about Robert Jordan... Crackbrained Asha'man - 18/09/2009 03:40:20 AM 596 Views
Sometimes ... Nate - 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM 519 Views
I agree! heartbreak - 18/09/2009 01:39:04 PM 498 Views
Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder. Tom - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM 561 Views
You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. Werthead - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 513 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? Tom - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 547 Views
damn you are rude *NM* imlad - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 430 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. Tom - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 579 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? Werthead - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 545 Views
For several reasons. *NM* Ghavrel - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 405 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 461 Views
No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults. Werthead - 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM 472 Views
What would you call a good start? Chas - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 462 Views
Oh please. Grow some thicker skin. Joker - 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM 451 Views
You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been. Werthead - 20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM 483 Views
That is factually incorrect. *NM* Chas - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 402 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. Ghavrel - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 480 Views
Depends on which section of wotmania you're thinking about Larry - 20/09/2009 06:54:00 AM 485 Views
Precisely. *NM* Craig - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 404 Views
I half agree... fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 468 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? Larry - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 442 Views
Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM* Werthead - 19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 434 Views
"Than", not "then". Learn English while you're at it. *NM* Tom - 20/09/2009 01:47:56 AM 433 Views
Irony overdose. Again. Tashmere - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 468 Views
WTF? Tom - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 499 Views
fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 03:00:53 AM 489 Views
I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM* Chas - 19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM 385 Views
that would be very counter productive imlad - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 438 Views
Depends on what you want. Tom - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 431 Views
Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM* IndigoAjah - 19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM 443 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. Chas - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 493 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 473 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. Chas - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 486 Views
But a promise was never made. Werthead - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 471 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." Craig - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 445 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin Asharak - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 502 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play Werthead - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 471 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book fionwe1987 - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 510 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 587 Views
Re: Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 494 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* Chas - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 392 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin Chas - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 536 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." Werthead - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 463 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... Craig - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 445 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... Werthead - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 464 Views
I think we're winding down here. Craig - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 467 Views
Yeah. Chas - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 492 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 441 Views
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