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Nope, still doesn't work. Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
Bantam's editors have been working on the book over the past few years as GRRM has completed chapters. Some of the changes that have resulted in the delays that people are whinging about were instigated by the editors, not by GRRM, such as the movement of some chapters and characters into Book 6 and the rewriting of some material to make it stronger.

So Bantam have been kept informed and been involved in the writing process from the start, and whilst I'm sure they'd prefer the book to come out tomorrow they're willing to wait, because they see ASoIaF as a prestige project that will sell millions of books (publishers are usually happy if a single book sells more than ten thousand), and they're willing to put the legwork in that is required to do that.

The simple fact is that I'm just not all that interested in the Martin series after A Feast for Crows and the extraordinarily long lag between books, which for a series is not good.


Indeed. Because WHEEL OF TIME's sales are waaaay down because it's been drawn out for so long and the last few books didn't hit the bestseller list and, erm, oh yeah...

Martin doesn't have an obligation to get the books out, but as he drags this out the readers have less interest in buying them. Sales for games and related merchandise will drop as well.


Looking at the sales of the book growing and what the TV series will do for the books (300% sales increase for the TRUE BLOOD books after the series came out), I don't see this happening either, not this side of about 2020 anyway.

Of course, he might get the next book out before Brandon Sanderson finishes the Jordan series and it might be great. Right about now, though, there are a lot of disillusioned fans losing interest. It doesn't matter what the books were "technically" always going to be called.


Well, your whole post was about how ADWD was going to be pointless, and nothing in it of any importance was going to happen because those events have been pushed back to a later book. So yes, it does matter what they were going to be called.

Excellent technique, by the way. Base post around point which turns out to be fictitious. This gets pointed out. Claim that point was unimportant. Are you a politician, by any chance?
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1270 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 435 Views
lol Nice. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 424 Views
It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. - 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM 562 Views
Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM 470 Views
Titles - 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM 524 Views
Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam" - 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM 566 Views
Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 545 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 414 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 443 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 440 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 441 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 408 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 415 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 391 Views
I see the reason in that. - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 589 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 465 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 513 Views
You're the man, Wert. - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 493 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 387 Views
Very well, thanks - 18/09/2009 04:05:16 AM 461 Views
One thing I got to say about Robert Jordan... - 18/09/2009 03:40:20 AM 570 Views
Sometimes ... - 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM 496 Views
I agree! - 18/09/2009 01:39:04 PM 478 Views
Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder. - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM 525 Views
You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 487 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 521 Views
damn you are rude *NM* - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 402 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 536 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 499 Views
For several reasons. *NM* - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 381 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 417 Views
No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults. - 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM 431 Views
What would you call a good start? - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 416 Views
Oh please. Grow some thicker skin. - 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM 429 Views
You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been. - 20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM 455 Views
That is factually incorrect. *NM* - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 380 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 456 Views
Depends on which section of wotmania you're thinking about - 20/09/2009 06:54:00 AM 463 Views
Precisely. *NM* - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 378 Views
I half agree... - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 443 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 417 Views
Irony overdose. Again. - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 441 Views
WTF? - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 473 Views
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that would be very counter productive - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 417 Views
Depends on what you want. - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 408 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 469 Views
Agreed. - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 450 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 461 Views
But a promise was never made. - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 448 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 422 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 474 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 451 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 486 Views
Excellent point. - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 506 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 468 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 366 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 509 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 439 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 420 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 428 Views
I think we're winding down here. - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 421 Views
Yeah. - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 468 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 416 Views