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Nope, still doesn't work. Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
Bantam's editors have been working on the book over the past few years as GRRM has completed chapters. Some of the changes that have resulted in the delays that people are whinging about were instigated by the editors, not by GRRM, such as the movement of some chapters and characters into Book 6 and the rewriting of some material to make it stronger.

So Bantam have been kept informed and been involved in the writing process from the start, and whilst I'm sure they'd prefer the book to come out tomorrow they're willing to wait, because they see ASoIaF as a prestige project that will sell millions of books (publishers are usually happy if a single book sells more than ten thousand), and they're willing to put the legwork in that is required to do that.

The simple fact is that I'm just not all that interested in the Martin series after A Feast for Crows and the extraordinarily long lag between books, which for a series is not good.


Indeed. Because WHEEL OF TIME's sales are waaaay down because it's been drawn out for so long and the last few books didn't hit the bestseller list and, erm, oh yeah...

Martin doesn't have an obligation to get the books out, but as he drags this out the readers have less interest in buying them. Sales for games and related merchandise will drop as well.


Looking at the sales of the book growing and what the TV series will do for the books (300% sales increase for the TRUE BLOOD books after the series came out), I don't see this happening either, not this side of about 2020 anyway.

Of course, he might get the next book out before Brandon Sanderson finishes the Jordan series and it might be great. Right about now, though, there are a lot of disillusioned fans losing interest. It doesn't matter what the books were "technically" always going to be called.


Well, your whole post was about how ADWD was going to be pointless, and nothing in it of any importance was going to happen because those events have been pushed back to a later book. So yes, it does matter what they were going to be called.

Excellent technique, by the way. Base post around point which turns out to be fictitious. This gets pointed out. Claim that point was unimportant. Are you a politician, by any chance?
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1301 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 460 Views
lol Nice. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 452 Views
It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. - 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM 588 Views
Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM 498 Views
Titles - 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM 551 Views
Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam" - 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM 595 Views
Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 572 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 442 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 472 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 513 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 467 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 436 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 443 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 417 Views
I see the reason in that. - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 614 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 494 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 539 Views
You're the man, Wert. - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 523 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 413 Views
Very well, thanks - 18/09/2009 04:05:16 AM 490 Views
One thing I got to say about Robert Jordan... - 18/09/2009 03:40:20 AM 601 Views
Sometimes ... - 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM 522 Views
I agree! - 18/09/2009 01:39:04 PM 502 Views
Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder. - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM 565 Views
You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 516 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 549 Views
damn you are rude *NM* - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 433 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 584 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 548 Views
For several reasons. *NM* - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 407 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 465 Views
No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults. - 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM 474 Views
What would you call a good start? - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 464 Views
Oh please. Grow some thicker skin. - 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM 455 Views
You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been. - 20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM 488 Views
That is factually incorrect. *NM* - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 405 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 483 Views
Depends on which section of wotmania you're thinking about - 20/09/2009 06:54:00 AM 488 Views
Precisely. *NM* - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 407 Views
I half agree... - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 471 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 444 Views
Irony overdose. Again. - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 471 Views
WTF? - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 502 Views
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that would be very counter productive - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 442 Views
Depends on what you want. - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 434 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 496 Views
Agreed. - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 476 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 488 Views
But a promise was never made. - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 475 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 448 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 505 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 473 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 513 Views
Excellent point. - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 596 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 496 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 394 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 538 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 465 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 447 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 467 Views
I think we're winding down here. - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 469 Views
Yeah. - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 494 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 444 Views