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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. Werthead Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM
Gaiman's "contract" analogy is bad. There is a quasi-contract theory that is used in situations like this - reliance. Martin makes statements about a schedule of printing and we rely on them. I don't think Martin owes me the next book for my "$10" as Gaiman puts it, failing to realize that those of us who buy hardcovers pay more. However, under reliance theory he owes me a refund of the books that I bought in reliance that he would finish on time.


No, he does not. There is no contract, there is no reliance theory, there is nothing of the sort involved. It is a pure retail transaction and absolutely nothing else. The only way it could be anything else is if you somehow paid for ADWD, TWoW and ADoS ahead of time and never got them. This has not happened.

A product was produced. You bought that product. You bought that product knowing that a meteor could flatten the producer's house tomorrow and you would never get the next part. You bought that product knowing (or fully capable of finding out) that it was part of a series of products that was as yet incomplete. You chose to get invested in the series before it was completed, in a genre littered with examples of series that were never finished, or spiralled out of control and took five times as long to complete as it should have done.

This is a genre where you can have the most reliable, regular author in the world who releases a book every year for years on end, and then suddenly they're taking three years per book (Rowling, Jordan, Donaldson). You can have a very reliable and fast writer who suddenly gives up on the series halfway through for absolutely no discernable reason (Gerrold), or due to family issues (Rawn). You can have a brilliant series which simply doesn't sell, so the next book is cancelled and you're left high and dry (Kearney).

When you buy a book, regardless of if is labelled as Book 4 of 7, the only guarantee you have is that you have is that you have bought that book. The next book might never come out.

If you don't want to be in that position, then you should have waited until the series was completed before buying it.
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1147 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 317 Views
lol Nice. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 276 Views
It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. - 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM 450 Views
Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM 353 Views
Titles - 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM 417 Views
Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam" - 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM 440 Views
Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 413 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 306 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 335 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 320 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 340 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 300 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 286 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 285 Views
I see the reason in that. - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 468 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 352 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 402 Views
You're the man, Wert. - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 375 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 272 Views
Very well, thanks - 18/09/2009 04:05:16 AM 349 Views
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Sometimes ... - 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM 374 Views
I agree! - 18/09/2009 01:39:04 PM 365 Views
Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder. - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM 416 Views
You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 374 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 410 Views
damn you are rude *NM* - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 281 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 425 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 377 Views
For several reasons. *NM* - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 266 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 270 Views
No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults. - 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM 314 Views
What would you call a good start? - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 298 Views
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That is factually incorrect. *NM* - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 270 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 344 Views
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Precisely. *NM* - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 268 Views
I half agree... - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 327 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 310 Views
Irony overdose. Again. - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 316 Views
WTF? - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 355 Views
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that would be very counter productive - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 308 Views
Depends on what you want. - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 299 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 345 Views
Agreed. - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 330 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 345 Views
But a promise was never made. - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 341 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 307 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 352 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 334 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 377 Views
Excellent point. - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 322 Views
Re: Excellent point. - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 329 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 251 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 379 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 317 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 308 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 296 Views
I think we're winding down here. - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 295 Views
Yeah. - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 349 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 304 Views