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Exceptions prove the rule... Craig Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM
Brin in fact said when he started his popular UPLIFT series he would take long breaks to write other books.

First off - that's pretty sweet, I didn't know he was planning to continue. Whenever he gets around to writing them, I'll be quite happy about it. :)

Second off - you say Brin actually said in advance that there would be breaks. That's completely different from the scenarios I used as examples (though I admit I might not have phrased them perfectly, in hindsight). Brin a) at least finished up a storyline before giving that series a hiatus, and b) let people know up front that these books weren't going to be one-after-the-other.

I understand that perfectly, but this is where the rest of the argument starts to look shaky because it is based on the precept that Martin has 1) taken lengthy sabbaticals from writing ADWD to work on other projects, which is not and never has been the case or 2) if the book had come out faster it would not have sucked, which is definitely not the case either.

As innumerable people have pointed out (I know you've seen this, I've pointed it out myself), Martin encourages the perception of "sabbaticals" when he constantly advertises (not just talks about, advertises) the thirty dozen other projects he's working on. You don't agree with that perception - I grasp that. However, you seem to have blinders on as to how other people could arrive at that perception.

The whole argument comes down to people wanting a rushed, crappy book rather than a decent one. Especially coming after the mixed-reception AFFC, this seems to be a rather odd thing to want for a fan of the series.

That's a strawman argument. Nobody wants "a rushed, crappy book rather than a decent one." Many people don't understand how a book that was "practically finished" in 2005 isn't done four years later. It's hard to convince someone that an extra four years is "rushed."
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