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This is where the great divide comes into play Werthead Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
The problem I have with Martin is that he makes promises like he was a 10 year old. He gives promises again and again that seem to have little foundation in reality, and that annoys me. If a grown man(particularly someone in GRRMs age range) tells me he will be finished with something in 6 months, I believe him. Grown ups usually makes realistic promises, because in the real world people judge you by your actions. In no other line of work can you give so many empty promises and keep your job/not go out of business. GRRM is privileged in that way, he can supposedly live without worrying about honouring his promises. It would be nice if he acted professionally though, so I could respect him as a man, and not just enjoy his work.


Amongst the more critical crowd, there are two prevailing opinions about this:

Group A wants frequent updates on when the book is coming out, how the book is going, when is it coming out, what POV characters are in it, when is it coming out, how many chapters there are and when is it coming out.

Group B doesn't really care and actually hates it when ADWD is discussed. They'd rather there was no news and no dates bandied around at all for the book until it was finished.

In order to placate Group A, the author has said in the past what he thinks is a possible timescale for the book to come out (although he has never made 'hard promises' about such a date: each date, when given, has been surrounded by caveats and maybes). This then pisses off Group B. But when the author did shut up for about a year and didn't mention the book at all, Group B was happy but Group A got incredibly irate and started trolling message boards, posting crap on his blog, harassing other fans of the series etc until they did start getting dates again. At which point Group B got annoyed again.

It's a no-win scenario.
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Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons.... DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM 1237 Views
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine...... *NM* Animosity - 18/09/2009 03:06:36 AM 405 Views
lol Nice. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:28:08 AM 392 Views
It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. Tom - 18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM 536 Views
Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM* DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM 444 Views
Titles Werthead - 18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM 499 Views
Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam" Tom - 18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM 532 Views
Nope, still doesn't work. Werthead - 18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM 501 Views
I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else Tom - 18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM 460 Views
Re: Nope, still doesn't work. imlad - 18/09/2009 10:46:59 PM 386 Views
Is this the thread in which you'll FINALLY reveal... Joker - 20/09/2009 12:31:49 AM 419 Views
Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM* Artsapat - 18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM 407 Views
I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks Tom - 18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM 412 Views
Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM 384 Views
In your opinion, of course. *NM* IndigoAjah - 20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM 381 Views
Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions. Tom - 20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM 366 Views
I see the reason in that. IndigoAjah - 20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM 561 Views
I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already Brian - 20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM 484 Views
He might be a good comic book author, I don't know Tom - 20/09/2009 03:05:15 AM 438 Views
I see where there might be a misunderstanding. Werthead - 20/09/2009 03:05:24 AM 486 Views
You're the man, Wert. Joker - 20/09/2009 03:29:41 AM 464 Views
I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off. Camilla - 18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM 401 Views
Still ruling WOT, I see. How's that going? *NM* Craig - 18/09/2009 03:26:15 AM 358 Views
Very well, thanks DREWRULESWOT! - 18/09/2009 04:05:16 AM 433 Views
One thing I got to say about Robert Jordan... Crackbrained Asha'man - 18/09/2009 03:40:20 AM 544 Views
Sometimes ... Nate - 18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM 464 Views
I agree! heartbreak - 18/09/2009 01:39:04 PM 450 Views
Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder. Tom - 18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM 495 Views
You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety. Werthead - 18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM 459 Views
Was this well out of line, by any chance? Tom - 18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM 494 Views
damn you are rude *NM* imlad - 18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM 372 Views
Gosh. This is pretty tiring. Tom - 18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM 508 Views
So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly? Werthead - 19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM 467 Views
For several reasons. *NM* Ghavrel - 19/09/2009 10:15:38 PM 355 Views
Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM* Joker - 20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM 352 Views
No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults. Werthead - 20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM 404 Views
What would you call a good start? Chas - 20/09/2009 03:25:46 AM 387 Views
Oh please. Grow some thicker skin. Joker - 20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM 396 Views
You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been. Werthead - 20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM 427 Views
That is factually incorrect. *NM* Chas - 20/09/2009 03:38:06 AM 357 Views
"It" would have been. "It" was. Ghavrel - 20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM 432 Views
Depends on which section of wotmania you're thinking about Larry - 20/09/2009 06:54:00 AM 432 Views
Precisely. *NM* Craig - 20/09/2009 07:30:12 AM 352 Views
I half agree... fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 04:35:22 AM 414 Views
What's with the ad hominems, Tom? Larry - 20/09/2009 06:57:33 AM 392 Views
Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM* Werthead - 19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 386 Views
"Than", not "then". Learn English while you're at it. *NM* Tom - 20/09/2009 01:47:56 AM 378 Views
Irony overdose. Again. Tashmere - 19/09/2009 06:28:49 AM 401 Views
WTF? Tom - 20/09/2009 01:49:23 AM 447 Views
fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 03:00:53 AM 430 Views
I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM* Chas - 19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM 330 Views
that would be very counter productive imlad - 18/09/2009 10:50:01 PM 385 Views
Depends on what you want. Tom - 18/09/2009 11:26:54 PM 382 Views
Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM* IndigoAjah - 19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM 389 Views
That's the most valid point of the argument. Chas - 18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM 434 Views
Agreed. Werthead - 19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM 420 Views
Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'. Chas - 19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM 438 Views
But a promise was never made. Werthead - 19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM 423 Views
I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." Craig - 19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM 396 Views
Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin Asharak - 19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM 448 Views
This is where the great divide comes into play Werthead - 19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM 425 Views
I think he should take a page out of RJ's book fionwe1987 - 19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM 457 Views
Excellent point. Werthead - 19/09/2009 10:09:36 PM 426 Views
Re: Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 20/09/2009 12:21:21 AM 434 Views
That would be the best policy. *NM* Chas - 19/09/2009 11:23:48 PM 333 Views
Re: Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin Chas - 19/09/2009 11:22:25 PM 477 Views
Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise." Werthead - 19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM 410 Views
Exceptions prove the rule... Craig - 19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM 394 Views
Re: Exceptions prove the rule... Werthead - 19/09/2009 10:00:35 PM 388 Views
I think we're winding down here. Craig - 20/09/2009 07:41:15 AM 380 Views
Yeah. Chas - 19/09/2009 11:27:04 PM 440 Views
Don't mind me, I just can't post in the right place. *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:13:25 PM 390 Views
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