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Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM
If you want great literature that (supposedly) expands your mind then go read the classics (personally I would rather be beheaded with a blunt wooden axe!), if you want entertainment read other people of whom RJ is but one exponent. Pick the writer(s) you like by all means but dont impose your taste on others.

To me this is a little like the classical music Vs. popular music, neither is wrong, just go with what you like and let the other guy think his choice is best.

To me RJ is a great writer because he entertains me, yes there are flaws and the timeline issues annoy the heck outta me, but overall I always feel I have had my money's worth.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3552 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1981 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1650 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1482 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1555 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1347 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1024 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1970 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1673 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1133 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1482 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1749 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1529 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2053 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1758 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1909 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1511 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1681 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1540 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1555 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1593 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 939 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2607 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1692 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1620 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1879 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1650 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1596 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1751 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 997 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1492 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1985 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1834 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 926 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1780 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 994 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1001 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1424 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1578 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1525 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1567 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1809 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1408 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1438 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1709 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1587 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1545 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1517 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1649 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1519 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1003 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1584 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1526 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1453 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1453 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1495 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1458 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1503 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1570 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1516 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 948 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1414 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1306 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1601 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1628 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1482 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1768 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1523 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1555 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1707 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1559 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 935 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1381 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 876 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1457 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 909 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1613 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1697 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1991 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1422 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1403 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1389 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 851 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 875 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 999 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1476 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1589 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1439 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1773 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1414 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1582 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1466 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1465 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1587 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 925 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1355 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1579 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1648 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1418 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1403 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1742 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1677 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1644 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1542 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1288 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1593 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1362 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1662 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1739 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1574 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1712 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1650 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1625 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1766 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1561 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1018 Views
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