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Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM
If you want great literature that (supposedly) expands your mind then go read the classics (personally I would rather be beheaded with a blunt wooden axe!), if you want entertainment read other people of whom RJ is but one exponent. Pick the writer(s) you like by all means but dont impose your taste on others.

To me this is a little like the classical music Vs. popular music, neither is wrong, just go with what you like and let the other guy think his choice is best.

To me RJ is a great writer because he entertains me, yes there are flaws and the timeline issues annoy the heck outta me, but overall I always feel I have had my money's worth.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3622 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 2050 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1713 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1538 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1614 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1405 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1080 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 2043 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1741 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1191 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1576 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1853 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1597 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2106 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1835 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 2001 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1569 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1746 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1597 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1607 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1654 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 975 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2710 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1785 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1672 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1972 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1709 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1656 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1848 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 1062 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1542 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 2103 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1913 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 981 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1843 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 1052 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1069 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1480 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1632 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1585 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1684 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1880 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1462 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1517 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1767 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1651 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1608 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1569 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1726 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1584 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1075 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1636 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1638 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1509 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1539 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1576 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1544 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1556 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1618 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1579 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 981 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1470 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1361 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1706 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1713 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1549 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1913 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1580 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1614 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1823 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1657 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 994 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1457 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 928 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1554 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 947 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1727 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1777 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 2039 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1516 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1480 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1440 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 922 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 950 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 1065 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1534 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1680 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1506 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1888 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1489 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1646 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1558 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1545 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1673 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 983 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1411 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1673 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1740 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1476 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1465 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1844 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1828 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1781 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1665 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1346 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1693 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1425 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1786 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1821 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1670 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1787 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1721 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1695 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1819 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1645 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1093 Views
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