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How so? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM
If you cannot say what is "good" about a passage you cited as an example of good prose, then surely you have no right to the tone you've used in most of this thread. FT is very clearly not saying he finds Jordan great or good or anything. His question is only about a passage you cited, and so far, all you have done is dismiss him.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3622 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 2048 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1713 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1538 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1614 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1403 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 1080 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 2041 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1740 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1191 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1574 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1851 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1595 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 2104 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1833 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 2001 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1567 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1746 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1595 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1607 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1652 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 975 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2708 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1783 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1670 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1970 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1707 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1656 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1848 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 1062 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1542 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 2101 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1913 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 981 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1843 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 1052 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 1069 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1480 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1631 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1585 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1684 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1878 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1462 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1515 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1767 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1651 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1608 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1567 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1726 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1583 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 1075 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1634 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1636 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1507 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1537 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1574 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1542 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1554 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1618 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1577 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 981 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1470 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1359 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1706 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1713 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1549 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1911 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1578 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1612 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1821 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1657 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 994 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1455 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 928 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1554 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 947 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1726 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1777 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 2039 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1516 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1480 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1438 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 922 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 950 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 1065 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1532 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1678 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1506 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1886 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1489 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1646 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1556 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1545 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1671 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 983 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1409 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1673 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1740 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1475 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1463 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1842 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1826 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1779 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1663 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1344 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1691 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1423 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1786 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1819 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1670 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1787 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1721 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1695 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1817 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1643 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 1093 Views
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