As is said, every strong channeller in the book we know the origins of had the spark, in a similar way that there are too many weak channellers around now. I just don't see Maria's remarks being true (to at least what RJ put in the books). I appreciate this makes all of what I'm going to say next irrelevant if you believe what Maria says makes sense in context with the books but for me it doesn't.
I dislike using one bell curve to visualise all channelers, I much prefer a male and a female curve on the same graph which have different peaks either side of the "average". If it's anything like physical sexual dimorphism in humans then those peaks could be closer to 33 for females and 66 for males anyway (working off purely upper body strength studies, it could be a bit closer).
Again if you separated out the female channelers into those with the spark and without (This goes back to me not believing Maria). If you need to be a wilder to have a decent chance of being above AOL average and wilders have been continually ignored for 3000 years it's very possible that you're simply looking at the wrong side of the bell curve for people born without the spark.
If you accept Maria's statement then I fully understand that what I've said isn't applicable but I personally just can't accept what she says when the books to me say otherwise.
I dislike using one bell curve to visualise all channelers, I much prefer a male and a female curve on the same graph which have different peaks either side of the "average". If it's anything like physical sexual dimorphism in humans then those peaks could be closer to 33 for females and 66 for males anyway (working off purely upper body strength studies, it could be a bit closer).
Again if you separated out the female channelers into those with the spark and without (This goes back to me not believing Maria). If you need to be a wilder to have a decent chance of being above AOL average and wilders have been continually ignored for 3000 years it's very possible that you're simply looking at the wrong side of the bell curve for people born without the spark.
If you accept Maria's statement then I fully understand that what I've said isn't applicable but I personally just can't accept what she says when the books to me say otherwise.
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The Bell Curve revisited
- 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve revisited
- 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM
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That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM
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Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM
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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM
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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
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It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken
- 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM
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RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right...
- 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM
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Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right...
- 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM
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there are dozens of reasons for this
- 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM
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Re: there are dozens of reasons for this
- 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM
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Again I don't argue that genetics play no role
- 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM
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Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength
- 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM
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That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population?
- 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM
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And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength?
- 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM
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Absolutely no reason...
- 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM
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Re: Absolutely no reason...
- 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM
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Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not.
- 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM
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That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random.
- 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM
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It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample!
- 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM
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Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample!
- 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM
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Go read a stats text will you?
- 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM
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Done
- 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM
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You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent...
- 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM
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Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent...
- 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM
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Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply?
- 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM
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Yes that totally makes sense
- 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM
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- 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM
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That's not what happened...
- 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM
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I hate to get into these things
- 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM
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I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge...
- 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM
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In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed
- 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM
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Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM*
- 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM
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Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic...
- 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM
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You're pathetic...
- 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM
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The quote isn't specific
- 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM
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Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken
- 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM
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Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed
- 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM
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Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it
- 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM
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Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame?
- 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM
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Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame?
- 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM
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Are you sure about that?
- 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM
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Re: Are you sure about that?
- 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM
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That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me
- 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM
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Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola
- 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM
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Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola
- 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM
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We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers
- 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM
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Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers
- 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM
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A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler
- 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM
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you're confusing 2 things
- 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM
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One thing
- 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM
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That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value
- 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM
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