You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent...
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM
So, I went and had a look at some statistics texts, and here are a few juicy quotes (emphasis mine):
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Self-selection bias is the problem that very often results when survey respondents are allowed to decide entirely for themselves whether or not they want to participate in a survey. To the extent that respondents' propensity for participating in the study is correlated with the substantive topic the researchers are trying to study, there will be self-selection bias in the resulting data.
Nice. But why did you ignore the very next sentence?
In most instances, self-selection will lead to biased data, as the respondents who choose to participate will not well represent the entire target population.
That's exactly what I've been saying. A self-selected sample is not representative of the entire population. 1000 women is too low a sample number when they're self-selected. So you see a bias in one way. The very next 1000 self selected women from the same area might have been biased in the opposite way, or biased even more towards weak women. The point is, in a non-random sample, you'll almost certainly see bias. There is no one reason for this.
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A voluntary response sample consists of people who choose themselves by responding to a general appeal. Voluntary response samples are biased because people with strong opinions, especially negative opinions, are most likely to respond.
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A voluntary response sample consists of people who choose themselves by responding to a general appeal. Voluntary response samples are biased because people with strong opinions, especially negative opinions, are most likely to respond.
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This is the case with political poll. In epidemiology (which the current case is closer to, since channeling the OP is not an opinion, it is a genetic and metaphysical predisposition), it is not the strong opinions of respondents that leads to sample skewing.
A sample of convenience is a sample that is not drawn by a well-defined random method. The big problem with samples of convenience is that they may differ systematically in some way from the population. For this reason, samples of convenience should not be used, except in situations where it is not feasible to draw a random sample. When it is necessary to draw a sample of convenience, it is important to think carefully about all the ways in which the sample might differ systematically from the population. If it is reasonable to believe that no important systematic difference exists, then it may be acceptable to treat the sample of convenience as if it were a simple random sample.
But there is reason to know a systematic difference exists. Its not a matter of belief here. We know for a certain fact that this non-random population is showing characteristics markedly different from the norm.
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Now, I've done as you asked, and in return, I would be very grateful if you would respond to my thought experiment from the other thread. I'm really quite pleased with it. I'll repeat it here, for you convenience:
Your thought experiment is so stupid I'm at a loss for words. It is not remotely comparable because the probability of a coin landing heads or tails is decided at that very moment, and depends on the property of the coin, not the person tossing it! Further, it is astounding that you actually expect an equal number of heads and tails. The equal probability of the coin landing on either face doesn't translate to an equal number of actual events of either type occurring!
This is not a thought experiment. It is a thoughtless experiment. If this is the type of drivel you're going to come up with, please don't expect a response, and please don't whine if you don't get one.
The Bell Curve revisited
- 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM
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Re: The Bell Curve revisited
- 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM
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That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM
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Re: That's incorrect...
- 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM
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Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM
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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM
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Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well...
- 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM
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It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken
- 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM
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RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right...
- 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM
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Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right...
- 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM
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there are dozens of reasons for this
- 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM
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Re: there are dozens of reasons for this
- 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM
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Again I don't argue that genetics play no role
- 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM
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Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength
- 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM
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That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population?
- 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM
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And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength?
- 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM
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Absolutely no reason...
- 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM
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Re: Absolutely no reason...
- 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM
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Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not.
- 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM
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That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random.
- 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM
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It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample!
- 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM
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Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample!
- 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM
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Go read a stats text will you?
- 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM
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Done
- 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM
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You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent...
- 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM
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Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent...
- 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM
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Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply?
- 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM
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Yes that totally makes sense
- 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM
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- 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM
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That's not what happened...
- 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM
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I hate to get into these things
- 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM
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I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge...
- 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM
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In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed
- 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM
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Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM*
- 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM
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Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic...
- 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM
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You're pathetic...
- 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM
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The quote isn't specific
- 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM
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Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken
- 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM
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Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed
- 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM
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Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it
- 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM
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Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame?
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Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame?
- 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM
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Are you sure about that?
- 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM
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Re: Are you sure about that?
- 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM
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That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me
- 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM
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Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola
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Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola
- 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM
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We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers
- 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM
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Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers
- 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM
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A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler
- 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM
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you're confusing 2 things
- 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM
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One thing
- 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM
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That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value
- 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM
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