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There's not much to go on since all the shields except Berowyn's are the same darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/01/2016 09:55:14 PM

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As for why opposite sex shielding was harder, I always saw it as a function of saidin and saidar repelling each other.

When you place a saidin shield on a woman, apart from the strength issue, the inherent repulsion of saidar to saidin makes it harder to place the saidin shiled in the path of flowing saidar.

Same is true in reverse.

I find your own explanation problematic. You're saying that the gentler flow of saidar makes it easier to dam up. So you're saying you need a flexible shield. But we know that saidar shields are generally not flexible. Elayne in tDR compares the BA shield on them to a wall. And Rand does the same to the AS shiled on him. Berowyn's is the only flexible shield we know of. Talaan's shield on Nyn is also not flexible at all.

There seems to be no evidence for your theory, or the hierarchy you put up.


as I said earlier it's a visualization thing for me really. But don't forget that Berowyn's shield is by FAR the most effective one we ever see, in fact we know from an Aes Sedai perspective that she should not be able to hold a woman anywhere near to Nynaeve's strength ... which implies that the shields normally taught to Aes Sedai are rigid and not flexible and only work on women very close to your own strength. Galina notes that she could easily break Micarra's shield, who is 13 levels lower than Galina, meanwhile Berowyn is 38 levels below Nynaeve (3x the difference) and easily contains her, I wonder if she could hold a man equal to Nynaeve.

I suspect Aes Sedai shielding was "innovated" by the Red and was primarily used for shielding men. It goes, at least thematically, that most female centric channeling organizations would also have developed shielding methods more suited to holding men than women given the situation with the Taint.

saidar is a force that requires passive direction not manhandling, saidin is a force that requires aggressive maneuvering rather than guidance. The way I see an effective shield for saidar is the way Berowyn struck upon it, something flexible, meant to contain a heavy volume of liquid. The way I see an effective shield for saidin is more of an immovable object meant to stop bullets (i.e. bulletproof glass or if you wish to stay with the water theme, an umbrella stopping rain)

I do agree with you that the opposing natures of saidin and saidar probably play a role in this as well and likely enhances the difficulty with shields on the opposite sex.

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