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But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM
Shai'tan is not a superhuman child painting on the wall. He is the equal and antithesis of the Creator, he too existed before Creation, he too existed outside time, until he was trapped in the Pattern.

When the Creator created existence and the Pattern, he trapped Shai'tan within. The Wheel wove a Pattern infinitely back and infinitely forward from that point, but that did not give Shai'tan retrospective power to effects his release prior to that moment.

Shai'tan is temporally linear within an otherwise circular timeline - that's the point of the initial post - the Wheel will turn infinitely until Shai'tan's timeline reaches it's end - the destruction of the Pattern - and he is freed from time once again.
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Ishamael's nature Sidious - 01/03/2010 05:27:48 PM 1911 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature Watcher - 01/03/2010 07:15:54 PM 927 Views
Sisyphus *NM* damookster - 02/03/2010 02:27:06 AM 328 Views
Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... Shannow - 01/03/2010 07:23:37 PM 953 Views
I'd go with this - he lost sight of the forest for enumerating the trees. Cannoli - 01/03/2010 08:21:39 PM 1025 Views
I agree, except with your statement on what Ishamael's area of expertise is ... Shishka - 02/03/2010 03:17:13 PM 766 Views
Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:38:06 PM 804 Views
Are you saying that philosophers are inherently more intelligent than other academics? Shannow - 02/03/2010 04:53:13 PM 694 Views
Maybe Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:00:20 PM 771 Views
Crap File Leader - 02/03/2010 08:58:12 PM 736 Views
That high IQ should make you realise that I am making the same point you are... Shannow - 02/03/2010 09:53:59 PM 720 Views
I think the averages are averages. Kieran - 03/03/2010 01:14:41 AM 670 Views
Re: Crap RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/03/2010 08:46:56 PM 660 Views
Re: Crap mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:36:16 PM 643 Views
I love IQ tests. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:18:10 AM 615 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Shishka - 02/03/2010 05:30:43 PM 741 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil Sidious - 02/03/2010 06:01:41 PM 729 Views
Re: Which makes him the most evil of the Forsaken... or the least evil mogi67 - 07/03/2010 11:31:14 PM 659 Views
I'm not an expert on nihilism, but ... Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:22:33 PM 807 Views
I doubt that. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:21:32 AM 636 Views
Re: I doubt that. car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:41:43 PM 615 Views
Yep, I agree. Shishka - 08/03/2010 05:58:03 PM 719 Views
This ties in with his parallel to Lucifer. Kieran - 03/03/2010 12:57:37 AM 716 Views
Re: Not a question of intelligence. Rather, a different way of thinking... BlackAdder - 02/03/2010 07:22:58 PM 687 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 01:49:19 AM 743 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:51:44 PM 713 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:31:32 PM 664 Views
Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 650 Views
sorry, took "evil" too literally and newyorkersedai - 03/03/2010 07:02:01 PM 613 Views
Found a great theory about Ishamael and his logic on theoryland car'a'aman - 02/03/2010 02:48:02 PM 1169 Views
Nice Sidious - 02/03/2010 04:41:05 PM 681 Views
Impressive newyorkersedai - 02/03/2010 07:24:09 PM 675 Views
I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 01:47:47 AM 672 Views
Re: I have to disagree on one thing, at the very least... car'a'aman - 08/03/2010 12:37:27 PM 627 Views
Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 682 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 681 Views
Because there is a Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 09/03/2010 05:57:16 PM 606 Views
faulty assumptions car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 05:05:23 AM 616 Views
Impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 06:22:43 AM 622 Views
maybe an analogy will help car'a'aman - 10/03/2010 12:55:37 PM 1027 Views
But therein lies the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2010 04:58:42 PM 592 Views
your own argument is self defeating car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:10:36 AM 633 Views
No, that past was created after he was imprisoned. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:43:08 PM 645 Views
*sigh* I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.... I still think your theory is flawed *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:11:10 AM 283 Views
Anyway I just realized this point is irrelevant to the original theory car'a'aman - 11/03/2010 08:14:20 AM 598 Views
Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 284 Views
Your reasons and mine for irrelevancy are different.. *NM* car'a'aman - 12/03/2010 05:12:52 AM 271 Views
Re: Ishamael's nature RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/03/2010 10:43:16 PM 700 Views
I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 835 Views
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