Personally, I am not bothered by waiting for the rest of aSoIaF. I enjoy a lot of other books and as long as the series is finished one day, I don't care WHEN I finish it. I don't feel Martin owes me anything. However, I have only read the existing books of aSoIaF in the past 12 months, so I cannot say for sure that I will continue to bear the wait with magnamity, as I cannot see the future.
However, just because I am OK with GRRM taking his time over his series (because, though I love it, it is only a book, only one of several books I wish to read and as I cannot dedicate my full schedule purely to reading books I might not be able to read the next book immediately anyway) and feel he can live his life as he pleases, doesn't mean I can't empathise with people who are upset by this. I mean, waiting for years for anything is frustrating and I agree that misleading people, however accidentally, with whatever reason to believe you are right, is destined to piss people off. I assume that the combined most painful factors here are the promised deadlines being crushed step by step and the fact that GRRM's blog emphasises his other interests?
It all comes down to whether we think GRRM is trying to finish aDwD on time or if he is slacking. If the former, then we should be sorry that the man cannot do something he wishes to and hope that he can dig himself out of his block/plot difficulties. If not, then anger is acceptable, because though he has made no formal promise, he knows people rely on him and idleness would be letting them down. Plus I cannot tolerate anyone who leaves a job half-done. That would be a matter of pride for me. But that's me.
So where Werthead and you disagree is on Martin's intentions and effort: not being able to write his series (for whatever reason) is unfortunate. Not being willing to AND not being open about it is unprofessional. GRRM can give out mixed signals in his blog. But you can't blame a man for defending what he perceives as the absolute truth to the death. Neither you nor Werthead can read GRRM's mind so neither of you has evidence (as you rightly imply), but it is human nature to get heated up in passionate subjects and the debate thereof. So both of you calm down eh?
On a side note, have you read the Sandman as you dismiss Gaiman? If so, fine, if not, I emplore you to try it - it's his real standard of quality and it is very easy to dislike American Gods or his younger books nad still enjoy his style. Though whether you try or not is your choice and still your opinion.
However, just because I am OK with GRRM taking his time over his series (because, though I love it, it is only a book, only one of several books I wish to read and as I cannot dedicate my full schedule purely to reading books I might not be able to read the next book immediately anyway) and feel he can live his life as he pleases, doesn't mean I can't empathise with people who are upset by this. I mean, waiting for years for anything is frustrating and I agree that misleading people, however accidentally, with whatever reason to believe you are right, is destined to piss people off. I assume that the combined most painful factors here are the promised deadlines being crushed step by step and the fact that GRRM's blog emphasises his other interests?
It all comes down to whether we think GRRM is trying to finish aDwD on time or if he is slacking. If the former, then we should be sorry that the man cannot do something he wishes to and hope that he can dig himself out of his block/plot difficulties. If not, then anger is acceptable, because though he has made no formal promise, he knows people rely on him and idleness would be letting them down. Plus I cannot tolerate anyone who leaves a job half-done. That would be a matter of pride for me. But that's me.
So where Werthead and you disagree is on Martin's intentions and effort: not being able to write his series (for whatever reason) is unfortunate. Not being willing to AND not being open about it is unprofessional. GRRM can give out mixed signals in his blog. But you can't blame a man for defending what he perceives as the absolute truth to the death. Neither you nor Werthead can read GRRM's mind so neither of you has evidence (as you rightly imply), but it is human nature to get heated up in passionate subjects and the debate thereof. So both of you calm down eh?
On a side note, have you read the Sandman as you dismiss Gaiman? If so, fine, if not, I emplore you to try it - it's his real standard of quality and it is very easy to dislike American Gods or his younger books nad still enjoy his style. Though whether you try or not is your choice and still your opinion.
Does the Devil ever struggle to be good again, or if so is he not a devil?
What difference does it make after all? Anonymity in the world of men is better than fame in heaven, for what's heaven? What's Earth? All in the mind.
What difference does it make after all? Anonymity in the world of men is better than fame in heaven, for what's heaven? What's Earth? All in the mind.
Now I understand why everyone has been bitching about a Dance of Dragons....
18/09/2009 12:36:21 AM
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It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two.
18/09/2009 03:10:35 AM
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Re: It's not just that. He split A Feast for Crows into two. *NM*
18/09/2009 04:04:06 AM
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Titles
18/09/2009 04:15:24 AM
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Ok, Martin is published by Bantam...replace "Tor" with "Bantam"
18/09/2009 05:43:51 PM
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Nope, still doesn't work.
18/09/2009 08:49:09 PM
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I would recommend you re-read my post - you're confusing me with someone else
18/09/2009 10:24:24 PM
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Remember what The Neil said: "GRRM is not your bitch!" *NM*
18/09/2009 07:32:47 AM
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I don't give a shit what Neil Gaiman thinks
18/09/2009 05:35:54 PM
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Gaiman = The Most Overrated Author of the New Milennium. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:33:10 AM
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In your opinion, of course. *NM*
20/09/2009 01:28:33 AM
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Yes, and this entire thread deals with opinions.
20/09/2009 01:52:21 AM
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I see the reason in that.
20/09/2009 02:13:46 AM
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I haven't even finished reading A Clash of Kings and I'm a touch annoyed by Martin already
20/09/2009 02:35:32 AM
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I can see my rule of not reading series that have not been finished is paying off.
18/09/2009 11:00:37 AM
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Sometimes ...
18/09/2009 05:07:18 AM
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Sometimes...Neil Gaiman should be thrown into a meat grinder.
18/09/2009 05:49:56 PM
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You paid for a product. You got a product. That is the end of the matter in its entirety.
18/09/2009 09:03:05 PM
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Was this well out of line, by any chance?
18/09/2009 10:25:57 PM
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damn you are rude *NM*
18/09/2009 10:51:19 PM
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Gosh. This is pretty tiring.
18/09/2009 11:25:51 PM
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So this guy still hasn't been banned yet, why exactly?
19/09/2009 04:13:05 PM
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Get off your high horse. Someone disagrees with you. Deal with it. *NM*
20/09/2009 12:35:24 AM
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No, this guy is breaching the forum rules on attacks and insults.
20/09/2009 02:57:20 AM
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Oh please. Grow some thicker skin.
20/09/2009 03:26:33 AM
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You think this behaviour would have been tolerated on Wotmania? It definitely would not have been.
20/09/2009 03:31:20 AM
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"It" would have been. "It" was.
20/09/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Nope, I'm someone simply a hell of a lot better informed about the situation then you. Deal with it. *NM*
19/09/2009 02:40:07 AM
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I'd agree with you except for the fact that there was the 'promise'. *NM*
19/09/2009 05:59:21 PM
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Gaiman would just turn the episode into an amazing graphic novel as he died. *NM*
19/09/2009 01:06:30 PM
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That's the most valid point of the argument.
18/09/2009 11:54:26 PM
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Agreed.
19/09/2009 03:02:48 AM
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Now to me that supports Tom's point about 'reliance theory'.
19/09/2009 05:55:28 PM
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But a promise was never made.
19/09/2009 06:04:55 PM
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I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 07:14:30 PM
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Who is GGK and where is his article? + my opinion on Martin
19/09/2009 07:55:01 PM
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This is where the great divide comes into play
19/09/2009 08:10:09 PM
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I think he should take a page out of RJ's book
19/09/2009 08:36:55 PM
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Re: I think we're hung up on the definition of "promise."
19/09/2009 08:04:53 PM
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Exceptions prove the rule...
19/09/2009 08:42:39 PM
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