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We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM

And Tarna and Theodrin were both Wilders (meaning they had the Spark) and neither of them are in the very top tiers of AS strength, which shows the Spark is not linked to strength. In fact there are many AS who had the Spark and are weak, we just don't see a ton of them onscreen. But they must exist since there is a special classification for them within AS hierarchy and we hear from Verin how many women come to the Tower with "tricks".


I'm sorry but that's a leap too far for me. A few outliers are not sufficient to make that kind of claim, especially when Theodrin nor Tarna are 'weak' and virtually all of the channellers stronger than Nicola (on the female side) are born with the spark.

I assume most things RJ implemented are literary devices, which is probably why we get grey areas like this.


Given that Cadsuane is from Far Madding it's impossible to tell since she would never have Channeled naturally within the Guardians.

We know that Flinn is strong and he is not a Sparker nor is Grady or Neald, both strong males. In fact the ONLY male Sparker we know of in the BT is Narishma (aside from Taim and Logain) and we don't know how strong he is at this point. Again, RJ seemed to use the Spark for the strong main characters because if they were not born with the Spark they had no reason to leave the TR.

Immediately assuming Spark and strength go hand in hand is a flawed assumption since we know for fact that the Strongest woman we know of in AS world is Sharina and she is not a Sparker, while there are many Sparkers who are weaker. Tarna and Theodrin are specifically called out because they each came to the Tower with a Block, but there are clearly many others who are weaker or there would be no need to have special hierarchy rules for Wilders.
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The Bell Curve revisited Shannow - 29/10/2012 09:44:09 AM 1811 Views
Re: The Bell Curve revisited Tor - 29/10/2012 10:21:27 AM 1175 Views
That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:26:49 AM 1743 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:36:32 AM 1134 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:40:27 AM 977 Views
Re: That's incorrect... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:42:57 AM 964 Views
Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:45:07 AM 1078 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Tor - 29/10/2012 10:49:49 AM 965 Views
Re: Hehe...There are a few disputing it vocally. Whether they're in their right mind, well... Shannow - 29/10/2012 10:56:37 AM 1050 Views
It's only as skewed as it seems when you make the assumption that the Forsaken darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 04:34:11 AM 1315 Views
RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 02:11:19 PM 1078 Views
Response to a few of your poorly researched points... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:31:17 PM 1018 Views
Re: RJ the physicist didn't know math, so that Shannow could be right... Tor - 29/10/2012 02:37:33 PM 1001 Views
Exactly... Shannow - 29/10/2012 02:39:30 PM 1005 Views
there are dozens of reasons for this darius_sedai - 29/10/2012 08:18:18 PM 1028 Views
Excellent point. fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:24:37 PM 1065 Views
Re: there are dozens of reasons for this Tor - 29/10/2012 09:07:35 PM 966 Views
Again I don't argue that genetics play no role darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 01:57:24 AM 959 Views
Re: Again I don't argue that genetics play no role Tor - 30/10/2012 07:07:17 AM 967 Views
I don't think it plays much role in the plot darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:17:55 PM 1148 Views
Once again just so,we are clear on my stance with Genetics and Strength darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:27:11 PM 958 Views
That the 1000 Novices aren't a random sample of the population? fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:23:47 PM 900 Views
And why would it be biased towards those with lower strength? Tor - 29/10/2012 09:11:25 PM 922 Views
Absolutely no reason... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:35:35 AM 1020 Views
Re: Absolutely no reason... Tor - 30/10/2012 06:43:54 AM 933 Views
Only if it was a random sampling. Which this is not. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:58:34 PM 1021 Views
That's exactly the point. I want you to explain why it wasn't random. Tor - 30/10/2012 02:14:59 PM 945 Views
It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:43:03 PM 934 Views
Re: It wasn't random because it was a self-selected sample! Tor - 30/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 927 Views
Go read a stats text will you? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:54:16 PM 918 Views
Done Tor - 31/10/2012 09:34:11 AM 1727 Views
You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:14:19 PM 1227 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 11:37:16 AM 1046 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... fionwe1987 - 11/11/2012 07:14:48 PM 899 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:33:59 PM 1725 Views
Re: You seem to have perfected whining to a Talent... Tor - 11/11/2012 08:43:19 PM 1299 Views
Seriously? I went and looked at some statistics books, and you won't even reply? Tor - 01/11/2012 12:13:49 PM 1039 Views
Still nothing? Tor - 10/11/2012 03:33:15 PM 1063 Views
Still doesn't explain the difference Praziquantel - 30/10/2012 07:01:53 PM 882 Views
Re: Still doesn't explain the difference fionwe1987 - 10/11/2012 10:21:00 PM 962 Views
Yes that totally makes sense Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:07:16 AM 1044 Views
Thank you! *NM* Tor - 30/10/2012 10:19:15 AM 498 Views
That's not what happened... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:01:52 PM 1023 Views
Re: That's not what happened... Tor - 30/10/2012 02:15:57 PM 929 Views
Who said it would? fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:44:17 PM 950 Views
let's not mix up "random" and "representative" darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:28:09 PM 1010 Views
Doesn't mean RJ applied it to his series Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:23:29 AM 1034 Views
But of course he did.. fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:13:07 PM 1083 Views
I hate to get into these things HousealThor - 29/10/2012 05:45:50 PM 1109 Views
I would love for you to be right, because it would solve all our problems, but 0 is the challenge... Shannow - 29/10/2012 07:56:34 PM 1093 Views
In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed HousealThor - 29/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1089 Views
Overwhelm Lanfear, not match her. *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/10/2012 08:26:09 PM 568 Views
Truth is, Moiraine was being overly optimistic... Shannow - 29/10/2012 08:39:17 PM 1020 Views
You're pathetic... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 01:20:01 AM 931 Views
The quote isn't specific Sidious - 30/10/2012 08:32:36 AM 1055 Views
Its highly specific... fionwe1987 - 30/10/2012 02:15:38 PM 877 Views
Yet neither of them are at full potential and at least equal a Forsaken darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 03:45:24 PM 1552 Views
Honestly! darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 02:07:37 AM 999 Views
Re: In the truest sense, you are probably right that it is skewed Tor - 29/10/2012 09:10:27 PM 995 Views
Lots of people mean perfectly normal distribution when they say it HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 948 Views
Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:04:01 AM 1151 Views
Re: Couldn't the Towers method of obtaining Aes Sedai be to blame? Tor - 30/10/2012 09:33:44 AM 1077 Views
Are you sure about that? TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 12:03:43 PM 1052 Views
Re: Are you sure about that? Tor - 30/10/2012 12:19:34 PM 968 Views
That doesn't seem a coherent narrative to me TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 04:26:25 PM 1306 Views
Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:16:40 PM 1073 Views
Re: Sharina did not have the Spark, nor did Nicola TheCrownless - 30/10/2012 05:54:41 PM 941 Views
We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 10:33:55 PM 1113 Views
Re: We do not know if Cadsuane or any of the Forsaken are Sparkers TheCrownless - 31/10/2012 12:30:52 AM 1050 Views
A handful of examples are all we have and we have proof that an extremely strong Channeler darius_sedai - 31/10/2012 02:58:57 AM 922 Views
you're confusing 2 things Zaphod - 30/10/2012 04:27:32 AM 1240 Views
+1 *NM* Sidious - 30/10/2012 09:17:07 AM 1103 Views
Re: you're confusing 2 things Simon - 30/10/2012 09:21:39 AM 1100 Views
Not true... Shannow - 30/10/2012 11:49:57 AM 1064 Views
One thing HousealThor - 30/10/2012 05:23:17 PM 1033 Views
That's the problem. The BC RJ has "built" has a minimum and a maximum value darius_sedai - 30/10/2012 05:48:55 PM 1054 Views
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