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Huh? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/01/2016 06:01:04 AM

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a Channeler is, as you put it above, a living thinking being yet an angreal is an object. What Egwene did was far beyond simply burning herself out by drawing too much power. She shattered the limits of Vora's sa'angreal and destroyed hundreds of channelers as well as another massively powerful sa'angreal etc etc. What you are suggesting amounts to Egwene could have linked with others and been buffered from the negative effects, which in turn means Vora's sa'angreal, if used in a link, is basically a limitless supply of saidar equal to the CK simply because it has no buffer.

No, within a link you can only draw Vora's Wand to its strength limit, which seems to equal Sakarnen. The only way to exceed that is to not have a buffer, ie be a single channeler using it. At that point, you can overdraw, just like you could overdraw if there were no angreal in the picture.
I'd be inclined to agree with this point if Egwene had simply burned out or died but she drew in a massive amount more power than was conceivable.

As can any channeler! Lews Therin didn't simply burn out or die. First, he too drew in massive amounts of the OP, enough to erect a 10km high active volcano! And he wasn't even using an angreal!

See, what Egwene did was first draw in all that Vora's wand can safely allow. Lacking a buffer, she then exceeded this by a little to defeat Taim. Then, she saw that the Sharans were rallying, and the world was just about to receive Bore 2.0, so she drew in even more. I contend that even without Vora's Wand, she would have drawn in a pretty massive amount. Vora's Wand just made the amount that much more impressive (maybe in the CK range, given what she says).


That being said, we can lay that down, in part, to BSand's (and our) limited understanding of how these objects really work. I really hated that plot device, especially because the Aes Sedai are so damn cautious about everything involving the Power, yet somehow Vora's sa'angreal manages to be more powerful than Callandor and flawed yet is still sitting around in the WT

I don't have a problem with either fact. Just with Egwene regularly using it while she was tired despite apparently knowing there is no buffer! That makes no sense. Why wouldn't she mention it? Why wouldn't she join in a circle to prevent accidental overdrawing in those other times?
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Angreal, Sa'angreal and Moiraine at 66 Sidious - 11/01/2016 08:53:23 AM 2934 Views
Or we can choose to assume Elayne is incorrect darius_sedai - 11/01/2016 03:50:14 PM 1351 Views
Uhhh... fionwe1987 - 12/01/2016 12:07:42 AM 1483 Views
Yet there are problems with either darius_sedai - 15/01/2016 08:52:04 PM 1201 Views
Re: Yet there are problems with either Sidious - 16/01/2016 05:29:11 AM 1597 Views
Would you consider... Duke - 17/01/2016 09:06:59 AM 1298 Views
random thought on Shielding darius_sedai - 19/01/2016 07:34:20 PM 1342 Views
You're forgetting the other side, though. fionwe1987 - 19/01/2016 08:19:59 PM 1427 Views
yes but it doesn't proactively do this darius_sedai - 19/01/2016 10:06:25 PM 1298 Views
Responding to a shield doesn't require proactiveness fionwe1987 - 20/01/2016 05:53:24 AM 1215 Views
it's a visualization thing really darius_sedai - 20/01/2016 04:39:08 PM 1236 Views
Not the crux of the debate... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 03:37:40 AM 1327 Views
Not really though darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 05:00:34 PM 1081 Views
I always explained it as fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 09:26:35 PM 1340 Views
There's not much to go on since all the shields except Berowyn's are the same darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 09:55:14 PM 1221 Views
That's precisely my point fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 10:09:02 PM 1301 Views
now you are speculating based on a lack of evidence darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 10:39:13 PM 1151 Views
There's actual evidence: fionwe1987 - 22/01/2016 06:25:25 AM 1328 Views
what's dense here is that you keep putting in quotes that don't support your position darius_sedai - 22/01/2016 03:28:16 PM 1497 Views
Whoa.. fionwe1987 - 22/01/2016 04:24:19 PM 1401 Views
Not at all darius_sedai - 22/01/2016 05:03:50 PM 1354 Views
Wonderful fionwe1987 - 22/01/2016 06:30:35 PM 1337 Views
yup that's my argument. that and you're a dick so I'm done with this darius_sedai - 22/01/2016 06:46:23 PM 1149 Views
Re: yup that's my argument. that and you're a dick so I'm done with this Sidious - 23/01/2016 02:35:33 PM 1565 Views
Petty much *NM* darius_sedai - 24/01/2016 02:50:32 PM 711 Views
Hmmm.... Sidious - 23/01/2016 03:06:15 PM 1545 Views
Let me clear this up darius_sedai - 25/01/2016 04:19:51 PM 1579 Views
Some more quotes fionwe1987 - 25/01/2016 05:10:51 PM 1341 Views
none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise darius_sedai - 25/01/2016 07:19:48 PM 1680 Views
Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise fionwe1987 - 26/01/2016 03:45:52 AM 1332 Views
Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise Sidious - 26/01/2016 09:00:55 AM 1641 Views
Re: none of which I've denied or tried to prove otherwise fionwe1987 - 26/01/2016 10:39:49 AM 1321 Views
from the very beginning of this conversation I've been saying I'm theorizing darius_sedai - 26/01/2016 04:09:19 PM 1225 Views
Oh well then I agree with you Sidious - 26/01/2016 08:50:55 AM 1530 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 26/01/2016 04:26:46 PM 1574 Views
Yes, but that's not what I'm arguing... fionwe1987 - 16/01/2016 08:56:15 AM 1144 Views
But additive doesn't explain buffers and being able to overdraw darius_sedai - 16/01/2016 03:02:33 PM 1198 Views
Don't those two facts explain each other? fionwe1987 - 16/01/2016 03:24:44 PM 1202 Views
It actually seems counterintuitive to me darius_sedai - 19/01/2016 07:15:37 PM 1141 Views
Simple fionwe1987 - 19/01/2016 08:21:11 PM 1264 Views
Not at all darius_sedai - 19/01/2016 10:17:39 PM 1066 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 20/01/2016 06:01:04 AM 1328 Views
agree to disagree I suppose ... I don't see it this way *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2016 04:41:16 PM 695 Views
I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 12:01:16 AM 659 Views
Re: I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position. darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 02:07:21 AM 1166 Views
Re: I didn't sense disagreement so much as confusion over my position. fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 03:32:59 AM 1221 Views
I don't necessarily think that's true darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 05:07:40 PM 1274 Views
I don't see how magnifiers solve this fionwe1987 - 21/01/2016 10:01:17 PM 1237 Views
Re: I don't see how magnifiers solve this darius_sedai - 21/01/2016 10:16:16 PM 1210 Views
Uhhh... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2016 06:51:11 AM 1339 Views
Funny, I just saw this post darius_sedai - 17/09/2016 11:13:09 PM 1084 Views
The very first chapter (the Prologue) disproves this fionwe1987 - 03/10/2016 06:56:28 AM 1112 Views
No it doesn't darius_sedai - 05/10/2016 12:47:03 AM 1012 Views
Re: Don't those two facts explain each other? Dunstan - 08/10/2016 05:06:53 AM 999 Views
Re: Yes, but that's not what I'm arguing... Dunstan - 08/10/2016 04:52:06 AM 1164 Views
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