His wounds closed, and his colour returned. Why would she even try if she was incapable?



Yes well, for the ten thousandth time, luckily I don't think this either. I'm saying an angreal may push her ability from 1% to 5%. Isn't it just easier to get someone who can actually Heal?



It's because Sorilea isn't strong enough in the Power! Have you missed all the quotes in the series from people saying that they are strong enough or not strong enough to Travel? You are clutching to one piece of evidence and ignoring a vast quantity of other equally important evidence.


Agreed! She doesn't have a Talent like Androl... so what is your point? I've never disputed that the Talent doesn't exist. Androl has a fantastic Talent with gateways. It merely seems like he's quite the exception. Look at how Aes Sedai take hours to to turn metal into cuendillar and yet Egwene takes a second to turn tons of iron chain into heartstone. That is a Talent, much like Androl's.

You place so much emphasis on this Talent for gateways and I totally understand where you are going with it. In fact, I think I found another example of a Talent i.e. Reanne in WH(expectation) also weaves large gateways, so she may be a female equivalent.

But you're also ignoring a lot of what I am saying. Siuan can't Travel. She gets a sa'angreal and she can Travel. Therefore increased strength can increase gateway size. This isn't even contentious!


So who disputed that?


Fair enough, but essentially you are admitting that increasing the amount of Power also increases ability, which is what I have been claiming from the beginning. We have seen several examples where women use angreal to perform difficult complex tasks.


So? He can still Travel. His gateways are not smaller than they should be either. I don't understand why you think that all things should be easy for all channelers and you take deficiency as a sign of evidence. Flinn also takes longer to return meaning spacially he is weak too.


Yes you are right about Androl - his gateways are as large as Osan'gar's at the least.

Flinn doesn't imply that - I read that whole section again. He implies that he needs to put more saidin in that he should. He wastes saidin.


An abstract Talent means we can't measure it or see it. How does one measure Dreaming or pointing to a mine to see where metal is?


Strength probably plays a part in most Talents, but I've always said that Talent is the main factor. The higher you go in strength the more likely you are to have a Talent, because your affinity to the Source increases. The Forsaken have more Talents together than most of the White Tower combined, and just look at Rand and his friends. The very weakest channelers have almost no Talents among them.


Well firstly, Flinn's passage does not say that and he's also pinning himself up against the world's greatest Traveller. Secondly, we've always know that there is a Travelling Talent - it's your application of it to the entire channeling population that is insane. You didn't get so hysterical when Berowin popped up, but Androl suddenly has you going all crazy.


Is that so? Well apart from Logain go and read the following...
Rand speaks about ACOS (Pitfalls and Tripwires)
Egwene speaks about it in LOC (possibilities)


I agree with you. But unlike you, I believe that everyone has an average Talent and they need strength to make the gateway work. Some have weaker Talents and they need to add more strength (Aviendha, Flinn) and others need less strength (Elayne). Others can make wildly disproportionate gateways (Androl, Reanne)


I agree with you that the Talent may be around, but I don't think its as abundant as you say. I'd personally put it with Dreaming and Foretelling in commonality.


Travelling is one place where strength can influence the ability sharply. Its been demonstrated for most of the series.