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Problems with gateways Narg Send a noteboard - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM
Does RJ ever mention the terrible gusts of wind that would come through most gateways for Travelling even if there was originally no wind on either side of the gateway?

Air pressure obviously changes with elevation. Additionally, the local weather patterns cause zones of lower and higher pressure. Gateways between places of different elevation would almost always be accompanied by huge blasts of wind through the gateways. And gateways between places of similar elevation would probably cause significant wind a lot of times just due to the differences in local pressure zones.

But this is never talked about that I can remember, except when Avi made a gateway into a Seanchen snowstorm. But even then it seems it was just the wind blowing from the storm on the Seanchen side.

Rand opening a gateway from Ebou Dar (sea level) to the top of Dragonmount (lets say 15,000 feet elevation) may possibly have just blown him right through the gateway. If he had tried to walk through a gateway from Dragonmount to sea level he may have had a very difficult time walking into the headwind.

Is this discussed in the books and I just don't remember it? Are there physics rules for gateways such that only things moved by living beings can pass through? Thus you couldn't just flood an enemy city by opening a gateway between the city and a location a few meters below the surface of the ocean for a few hours? Is this why shadowspawn can't go through? What are the rules for matter passing through gateways?
A little learning is a dangerous thing.
This message last edited by Narg on 28/09/2012 at 05:15:17 PM
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Problems with gateways - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 2905 Views
It's been discussed before... - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1479 Views
I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1124 Views
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Here's a neat idea - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1282 Views
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Again THANK YOU! - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 949 Views
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TY!!! - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1140 Views
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Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 868 Views
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THANK YOU!!! - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 1060 Views
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to the point on the Circle - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1108 Views
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I had forgotten about Brendas! - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 1080 Views
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Circles give added precision, remember? - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 1064 Views
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Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1112 Views
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Highly doubtful... - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 1045 Views
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Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1052 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 1021 Views
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Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1470 Views
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Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1170 Views
I noticed that... - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1127 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 1024 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1289 Views
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True - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 1082 Views
Life skills and OP skills... - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 966 Views
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And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1118 Views
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The point is the same regardless - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1143 Views
Here's an answer to your original question - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1164 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 582 Views
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You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1144 Views
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Trollocs have dreams - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1144 Views
XKCD is on the case! - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 1074 Views
Re: Problems with gateways - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 949 Views

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