Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time
DomA Send a noteboard - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM
That is like saying everyone who is tall will play basketball. Point being there is no black and white correlation for these things ... It's a Nature vs. Nurture argument which to me means its a combination of things.
Moiraine has a great Talent for Healing but opted to follow her cause and join the Blue, but she still goes out of her way in many instances to Heal others, on many occasions draining herself when another may have walked away.
Asha'man making weapons who were not Smiths could be as simple as no opportunity for them ... It is a rather specialized skill in WOT so the odds of them all being Smiths are slim.
Moiraine has a great Talent for Healing but opted to follow her cause and join the Blue, but she still goes out of her way in many instances to Heal others, on many occasions draining herself when another may have walked away.
Asha'man making weapons who were not Smiths could be as simple as no opportunity for them ... It is a rather specialized skill in WOT so the odds of them all being Smiths are slim.
These are two bad examples, though. Moiraine is good at the "heal all" weave. It doesn't even work on the same principles as real five power healing, which isn't a weave, but using the OP in different ways depending on the ailment. The old style Healing Moiraine's good at has not much at all to do with medicine, unlike what Nynaeve does. She puzzle out the exact problem with delving and intuitively fix it using the five flows in incredibly complex combinations.
As for the Asha'man, they don't "make weapons" per se, they do something to the metal/alliage as a skilled smith is forging it into a weapon.
Problems with gateways
- 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM
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Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it. *NM*
- 28/09/2012 05:47:13 PM
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Yeah, I realize that raising physics questions about fantasy books can be absurd...
- 28/09/2012 06:03:05 PM
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It's been discussed before...
- 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM
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I would agree with this
- 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM
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Re: I would agree with this
- 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM
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Egwene would likely also know since she puzzled it out as well
- 28/09/2012 07:28:22 PM
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Especially when opening a gateway into a void like in Skimming (though that is probably T'A'R too)
- 04/10/2012 03:13:29 PM
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Regarding shadowspawn:
- 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM
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Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else
- 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM
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I don't think RJ thought about it
- 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM
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Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes...
- 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM
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Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes...
- 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM
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Androl throws a kink in this
- 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM
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Re: Androl throws a kink in this
- 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM
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He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through
- 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM
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Gateway Talent I'd say
- 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM
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I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength
- 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM
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No I think they're more about strength
- 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM
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I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this
- 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM
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Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this
- 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM
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Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this
- 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM
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Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this
- 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM
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Egwene could not heal Gawyn
- 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM
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She did Heal him
- 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM
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Re-read some stuff
- 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM
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Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct
- 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM
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But his thought processes are sound
- 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM
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It's in Chapter 5 of TGS
- 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM
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Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS
- 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM
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Ummm...
- 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM
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Re: Ummm...
- 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM
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I don't think RJ changed his mind
- 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM
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I think he did
- 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM
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She wouldn't have to guess!
- 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM
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Really? Where is that quote? All we've heard is a woman needs to be strong enough
- 09/10/2012 11:44:15 PM
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There is only one book left. It is definitely not LIKELY
- 11/10/2012 08:06:04 PM
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I can agree with most of that ... I simply believe that the Talent dictates the amount of strength
- 12/10/2012 03:53:21 AM
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Exactly...
- 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM
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Re: Exactly...
- 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM
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Re: Exactly...
- 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM
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AND...
- 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM
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Re: AND...
- 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM
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Re: AND...
- 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM
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Re: AND...
- 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM
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I only discount direct statements when we are explicitly shown that they are incorrect
- 13/10/2012 06:55:38 PM
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Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it
- 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM
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You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise
- 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM
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Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise
- 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM
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Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen
- 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM
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the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times?
- 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM
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Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct
- 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM
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to the point on the Circle
- 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM
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Circles don't add the Talents...
- 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM
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I've been thinking about this
- 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM
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Circles give added precision, remember?
- 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM
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I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote
- 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM
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Circles of larger numbers give added benefit...
- 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM
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Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand
- 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM
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Highly doubtful...
- 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM
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Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text.
- 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM
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Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text.
- 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM
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That is actually the crux of my issue
- 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM
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That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous
- 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM
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Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things
- 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM
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the text is not inconsistent.
- 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM
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I see, it only counts when it supports your point! Why didn't I think of that!
- 20/10/2012 03:58:27 AM
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RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level
- 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM
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I'm still arguing about this but I think the evidence is that AS holding a shield are not linked.
- 11/10/2012 08:59:20 PM
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THAT is proof of the power of LINKING. This is why thirteen Morgases could smash Rand.
- 11/10/2012 08:41:45 PM
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It's one example that supports the exponential increase ... not arguing that
- 12/10/2012 04:40:08 AM
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Re: to the point on the Circle
- 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM
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Healing is a thing of the physical body
- 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM
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Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM*
- 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM
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That's what makes a Talent a Talent....
- 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM
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There is so much evidence against this
- 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM
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Androl does not match Rands Gateway size.
- 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM
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Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent.
- 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM
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He's referring to skimming
- 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM
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I think we aren't far off in interpretation
- 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM
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Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent.
- 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM
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- 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM
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Please explain Androl then
- 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM
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OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that.
- 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM
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You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent
- 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM
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- 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM
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- 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM
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i will gladly find you the quote where it it is the right size and ONLY takes more power.
- 11/10/2012 11:18:15 PM
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I don't think so... Spirit is used in many weaves (like Healing) as part of the weave
- 12/10/2012 04:38:29 AM
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I was incorrect about the size. but ultimately not incorrect about her evaluation quote within
- 18/10/2012 03:28:30 PM
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How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent?
- 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM
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the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM*
- 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM
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I agree with this PoV
- 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM
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Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability...
- 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM
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I think you use the word Talent too liberally
- 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM
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I disagree
- 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM
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I sort of agree with Sidious there
- 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM
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Flinn has difficulty with the weave. Unlike Aviendha he doesn't has a second weave problem
- 09/10/2012 06:17:34 PM
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Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability...
- 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM
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Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake
- 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM
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- 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM
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This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider
- 07/10/2012 03:49:05 AM
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This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider
- 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM
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Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue.
- 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM
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Cadsuane possessing a strong Talent for Traveling would not be surprising to me
- 07/10/2012 10:15:17 PM
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Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue.
- 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM
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Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue.
- 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM
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Life skills and OP skills...
- 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM
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Or the reverse could be true
- 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM
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Re: Or the reverse could be true
- 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM
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And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time
- 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM
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Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time
- 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM
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The point is the same regardless
- 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM
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Re: Or the reverse could be true
- 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM
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You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow
- 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM
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weaves are not magical entities that exist in channelers. They are tools that are invented.
- 05/10/2012 06:17:31 PM
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Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes...
- 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM
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Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes...
- 06/10/2012 02:05:30 PM
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Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology?
- 06/10/2012 06:54:27 PM
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Re: Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology?
- 06/10/2012 10:04:41 PM
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