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Here's an answer to your original question Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM
That is like saying everyone who is tall will play basketball. Point being there is no black and white correlation for these things ... It's a Nature vs. Nurture argument which to me means its a combination of things.

Moiraine has a great Talent for Healing but opted to follow her cause and join the Blue, but she still goes out of her way in many instances to Heal others, on many occasions draining herself when another may have walked away.

Asha'man making weapons who were not Smiths could be as simple as no opportunity for them ... It is a rather specialized skill in WOT so the odds of them all being Smiths are slim.


These are two bad examples, though. Moiraine is good at the "heal all" weave. It doesn't even work on the same principles as real five power healing, which isn't a weave, but using the OP in different ways depending on the ailment. The old style Healing Moiraine's good at has not much at all to do with medicine, unlike what Nynaeve does. She puzzle out the exact problem with delving and intuitively fix it using the five flows in incredibly complex combinations.

As for the Asha'man, they don't "make weapons" per se, they do something to the metal/alliage as a skilled smith is forging it into a weapon.






What Moiraine does still requires the Talent and was meant to address the point on empathy as much as anything else ... The Asha'man example was from Sidious, I was pointing out how slim the chances of so many men having the opportunity to be blacksmiths would be


Luckers: In Knife of Dreams Ch. 23, 'Call to a Sitting', Tiana notes that many of the women who are strong in Nynaeve’s method of Healing used to be village Wise Women. She wonders why that should make any difference, and indeed it does seem to imply that their life experience in some way affected their degree of Talent. How would this work out under the understanding of Talent as a soul ability? Does life experience change the strength of the Talent, whilst soul ability decides if you have it? Or should we make a distinction between Talents which are skills—like Healing, or that Shielding Talent Berowin of the Kin has—and Talents which are abilities—like Foretelling, Wolfbrothering or Dreaming?

Maria: Okay, let’s look at this. Why did these women choose to be village Wise Women? Maybe they haven’t sparked, but the Talent is there. They may not understand it, but they feel that they should be healing the sick. So, instead of life experience affecting the Talent, I think that it’s more that the Talent affects the life experience.
Also, Aes Sedai have been taught that Healing is done one way, and that way is the only proper way. It’s sort of like the gesture limitation; if an Aes Sedai learns to make weaves using gestures, she’ll have a really hard time making the weave without making the gesture. I think that the former Wise Women are more open to learning the new way, and that gives them another advantage at it.

I guess your theory may have merit :P
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The point is the same regardless - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1294 Views
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