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THAT is proof of the power of LINKING. This is why thirteen Morgases could smash Rand. Onarishma Send a noteboard - 11/10/2012 08:41:45 PM
The cool eyed White was Brendas. We get conformation in LoC.

As for Talents, there's an RJ quote somewhere saying that a circle doesn't add up the Talents of its members. Their strengths in the five powers aren't added either. However, if various circle members have related or complementary Talents suited to a task, then you pick them no matter the strength because they can pass control of the circle around as need demands. We've seen from the bonding of Rand that two linked women can complete a single weave by passing control around. So you can pick a man and a woman with great Healing Talent, and link them with another man who may be uselss, and then have the man and woman pass control around based on what kind of Healing may be needed, since men are better than women in some aspects, and vice versa.

Likely the same kind of thing was done for ter'angreal.

Will reply to the rest of the stuff later, but agree with you on the other posts. Great job!


And we have at least 1 example of an incident that does NOT align with what you are saying. The Gateway 13 Rebel sisters make for the Army:

The Path of Daggers
Chapter 30
Beginnings

The light of saidar sprang up around the thirteen sisters near the Sitters, around all of them together, and a thick slash of silver appeared in the middle of the clearing, rotating into a gateway ten paces tall and a hundred wide.

that gateways is exponentially larger than what any other "standard" AS could generate on her own ... seems to me that to at even 13 fairly strong sisters should not be able to make one so large without the Talent also being exponential. 13 AS linked are probably no more than 4x Rand's strength (assuming they are strong sisters) but even if they were 5x or 6x his strength they still should not be able to make a gateway this large.

Rand can make one of 144sq feet ... this monstrosity is 9,000sq feet ... and is only being powered by at MOST 6x Rand's strength ... smacks of cumulative Talent to me :) I don't think 13 women as strong as Lanfear should be able to do this if Talent isn't cumulative too


NOT that they have cumulative shielding Talent.
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Problems with gateways - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 2892 Views
It's been discussed before... - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1465 Views
I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1110 Views
Re: I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM 1254 Views
Regarding shadowspawn: - 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM 1405 Views
Isn't there a quote somewhere about this? - 28/09/2012 07:30:40 PM 1249 Views
There is - 28/09/2012 07:52:30 PM 1135 Views
Can Fain pass through a Gateway? - 28/09/2012 08:11:59 PM 1170 Views
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Here's a neat idea - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1270 Views
Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else - 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM 944 Views
I don't think RJ thought about it - 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM 1154 Views
Absurd question... - 28/09/2012 10:44:53 PM 1178 Views
Doesn't it meet your standards? - 29/09/2012 07:47:12 AM 1259 Views
Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM 1340 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:12:54 PM 1152 Views
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *NM* - 01/10/2012 07:30:22 PM 589 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM 1367 Views
Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM 1129 Views
Re: Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM 1309 Views
He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through - 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM 1066 Views
Gateway Talent I'd say - 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM 1150 Views
I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength - 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM 1186 Views
No I think they're more about strength - 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM 1325 Views
I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM 1144 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM 1169 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM 1181 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM 1149 Views
Egwene could not heal Gawyn - 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM 1228 Views
She did Heal him - 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM 1107 Views
and *gasp* maybe breeding. - 04/10/2012 05:36:59 PM 1112 Views
Re-read some stuff - 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM 1175 Views
Re: Re-read some stuff - 05/10/2012 08:22:06 AM 1009 Views
Um she tries out of desperation? - 05/10/2012 03:06:59 PM 1151 Views
Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM 1379 Views
But his thought processes are sound - 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM 1068 Views
It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM 1146 Views
Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM 1089 Views
Why was Flinn so late and why bring up his Gateway? - 05/10/2012 04:15:47 PM 1126 Views
Ummm... - 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM 1069 Views
Re: Ummm... - 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM 1190 Views
I don't think RJ changed his mind - 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM 1020 Views
Re: I don't think RJ changed his mind - 07/10/2012 07:28:38 PM 1225 Views
I wasn't being very clear - 07/10/2012 09:45:15 PM 1150 Views
I think he did - 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM 1162 Views
Maybe - 08/10/2012 07:48:24 PM 1071 Views
still don't think that's proof. It's just practical. - 11/10/2012 07:06:15 PM 1049 Views
Interesting point you bring up about fighting for control - 12/10/2012 03:44:26 AM 1031 Views
She wouldn't have to guess! - 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM 1072 Views
Exactly... - 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM 934 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM 990 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM 1104 Views
AND... - 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM 959 Views
Re: AND... - 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM 1120 Views
Again THANK YOU! - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 937 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM 1055 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM 1129 Views
Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it - 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM 1104 Views
TY!!! - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1130 Views
You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM 1299 Views
Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM 1088 Views
Are you reading mine? - 13/10/2012 07:09:02 PM 1008 Views
Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 858 Views
the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times? - 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM 1123 Views
THANK YOU!!! - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 1049 Views
Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM 1079 Views
to the point on the Circle - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1096 Views
Circles don't add the Talents... - 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM 1062 Views
I had forgotten about Brendas! - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 1067 Views
I've been thinking about this - 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM 1017 Views
Circles give added precision, remember? - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 1052 Views
I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote - 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM 933 Views
Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1097 Views
Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand - 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM 997 Views
Highly doubtful... - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 1036 Views
Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM 1030 Views
Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1040 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 1008 Views
That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous - 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM 1077 Views
Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM 1071 Views
the text is not inconsistent. - 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1483 Views
RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level - 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM 1046 Views
Not so much - 12/10/2012 04:28:44 AM 1055 Views
THAT is proof of the power of LINKING. This is why thirteen Morgases could smash Rand. - 11/10/2012 08:41:45 PM 941 Views
It's one example that supports the exponential increase ... not arguing that - 12/10/2012 04:40:08 AM 1055 Views
Re: to the point on the Circle - 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM 1030 Views
Healing is a thing of the physical body - 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM 1086 Views
Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM* - 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM 468 Views
Didn't I just say that? - 12/10/2012 04:31:22 AM 1006 Views
That's what makes a Talent a Talent.... - 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM 1048 Views
There is so much evidence against this - 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM 1151 Views
Androl does not match Rands Gateway size. - 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM 1131 Views
Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM 1008 Views
+500 ... Well said sir! *NM* - 06/10/2012 04:52:38 AM 771 Views
He's referring to skimming - 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM 1200 Views
I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM 1047 Views
Re: I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 08/10/2012 05:41:12 PM 1039 Views
We are close enough on this point - 08/10/2012 08:02:48 PM 1155 Views
Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM 1084 Views
Please explain Androl then - 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM 1095 Views
OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that. - 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM 1042 Views
You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM 1074 Views
there is no waffle here. plenty of syrup though.... - 18/10/2012 06:53:34 PM 1119 Views
No it's not - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM 944 Views
- 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM 918 Views
How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent? - 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM 1014 Views
How do you know there's a difference? - 06/10/2012 06:53:33 AM 1080 Views
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the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM* - 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM 687 Views
Not really - 07/10/2012 09:57:56 PM 1029 Views
I agree with this PoV - 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM 1176 Views
Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM 1008 Views
I think you use the word Talent too liberally - 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM 1140 Views
I disagree - 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM 1064 Views
I sort of agree with Sidious there - 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM 1031 Views
Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM 1201 Views
That has no relevance here - 09/10/2012 06:29:34 PM 964 Views
Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1459 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider - 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM 1011 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1161 Views
I noticed that... - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1119 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 1009 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1277 Views
On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 05:24:11 PM 1072 Views
Re: On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 06:07:20 PM 1188 Views
True - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 1069 Views
Life skills and OP skills... - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 955 Views
Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM 1097 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM 1174 Views
And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1107 Views
Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM 1198 Views
The point is the same regardless - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1132 Views
Here's an answer to your original question - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1150 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 578 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM 1216 Views
You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1132 Views
I know - 02/10/2012 07:27:14 PM 1121 Views
Our stance seems to be Nature v. nurture in nature - 02/10/2012 11:21:50 PM 1104 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM 1072 Views
Trollocs have dreams - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1135 Views
XKCD is on the case! - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 1062 Views
Re: Problems with gateways - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 938 Views

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