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I can agree with most of that ... I simply believe that the Talent dictates the amount of strength darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/10/2012 03:53:21 AM
necessary to open a gateway. Therefore Siuan with an angreal could open a gateway someone could walk through, but there will be a limit to a gateways size regardless of how much strength an individual can make. Rand says as much when talking about how large a gateway he can make and then we later see that he can make many of that size at the same time ... so clearly it's not strength that is defining how big Rand's gateways can be.

In fact, IMO Logain would have been more correct with his strength comparison if he had noted the number of gateways Rand created simultaneously rather than how large they were.
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Problems with gateways - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 3108 Views
It's been discussed before... - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1663 Views
I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1331 Views
Re: I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM 1450 Views
Regarding shadowspawn: - 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM 1694 Views
Isn't there a quote somewhere about this? - 28/09/2012 07:30:40 PM 1423 Views
There is - 28/09/2012 07:52:30 PM 1331 Views
Can Fain pass through a Gateway? - 28/09/2012 08:11:59 PM 1365 Views
Re: Can Fain pass through a Gateway? - 02/10/2012 02:37:58 AM 1353 Views
Here's a neat idea - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1493 Views
Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else - 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM 1150 Views
I don't think RJ thought about it - 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM 1352 Views
Absurd question... - 28/09/2012 10:44:53 PM 1391 Views
Doesn't it meet your standards? - 29/09/2012 07:47:12 AM 1466 Views
Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM 1556 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:12:54 PM 1378 Views
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *NM* - 01/10/2012 07:30:22 PM 685 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM 1595 Views
Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM 1367 Views
Re: Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM 1532 Views
He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through - 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM 1255 Views
Gateway Talent I'd say - 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM 1347 Views
I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength - 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM 1403 Views
No I think they're more about strength - 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM 1516 Views
I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM 1375 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM 1370 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM 1387 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM 1331 Views
Egwene could not heal Gawyn - 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM 1435 Views
She did Heal him - 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM 1301 Views
and *gasp* maybe breeding. - 04/10/2012 05:36:59 PM 1320 Views
Re-read some stuff - 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM 1398 Views
Re: Re-read some stuff - 05/10/2012 08:22:06 AM 1257 Views
Um she tries out of desperation? - 05/10/2012 03:06:59 PM 1362 Views
Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM 1582 Views
But his thought processes are sound - 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM 1293 Views
It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM 1359 Views
Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM 1272 Views
Why was Flinn so late and why bring up his Gateway? - 05/10/2012 04:15:47 PM 1297 Views
Ummm... - 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM 1258 Views
Re: Ummm... - 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM 1390 Views
I don't think RJ changed his mind - 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM 1212 Views
Re: I don't think RJ changed his mind - 07/10/2012 07:28:38 PM 1431 Views
I wasn't being very clear - 07/10/2012 09:45:15 PM 1358 Views
I think he did - 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM 1349 Views
Maybe - 08/10/2012 07:48:24 PM 1256 Views
still don't think that's proof. It's just practical. - 11/10/2012 07:06:15 PM 1275 Views
Interesting point you bring up about fighting for control - 12/10/2012 03:44:26 AM 1244 Views
She wouldn't have to guess! - 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM 1268 Views
Really? Where is that quote? All we've heard is a woman needs to be strong enough - 09/10/2012 11:44:15 PM 1250 Views
There is only one book left. It is definitely not LIKELY - 11/10/2012 08:06:04 PM 1269 Views
I can agree with most of that ... I simply believe that the Talent dictates the amount of strength - 12/10/2012 03:53:21 AM 1192 Views
Exactly... - 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM 1161 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM 1194 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM 1288 Views
AND... - 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM 1156 Views
Re: AND... - 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM 1340 Views
Again THANK YOU! - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 1135 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM 1259 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM 1314 Views
Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it - 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM 1343 Views
TY!!! - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1348 Views
You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM 1501 Views
Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM 1286 Views
Are you reading mine? - 13/10/2012 07:09:02 PM 1213 Views
Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 1085 Views
the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times? - 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM 1314 Views
THANK YOU!!! - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 1254 Views
Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM 1294 Views
to the point on the Circle - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1316 Views
Circles don't add the Talents... - 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM 1269 Views
I had forgotten about Brendas! - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 1265 Views
I've been thinking about this - 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM 1213 Views
Circles give added precision, remember? - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 1250 Views
I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote - 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM 1120 Views
Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1314 Views
Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand - 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM 1214 Views
Highly doubtful... - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 1249 Views
Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM 1222 Views
Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1266 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 1233 Views
That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous - 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM 1280 Views
Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM 1291 Views
the text is not inconsistent. - 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1732 Views
RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level - 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM 1280 Views
Not so much - 12/10/2012 04:28:44 AM 1271 Views
Re: to the point on the Circle - 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM 1234 Views
Healing is a thing of the physical body - 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM 1266 Views
Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM* - 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM 560 Views
Didn't I just say that? - 12/10/2012 04:31:22 AM 1202 Views
That's what makes a Talent a Talent.... - 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM 1283 Views
There is so much evidence against this - 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM 1348 Views
Androl does not match Rands Gateway size. - 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM 1370 Views
Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM 1210 Views
+500 ... Well said sir! *NM* - 06/10/2012 04:52:38 AM 869 Views
He's referring to skimming - 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM 1387 Views
I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM 1250 Views
Re: I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 08/10/2012 05:41:12 PM 1238 Views
We are close enough on this point - 08/10/2012 08:02:48 PM 1383 Views
Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM 1276 Views
Please explain Androl then - 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM 1298 Views
OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that. - 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM 1267 Views
You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM 1304 Views
there is no waffle here. plenty of syrup though.... - 18/10/2012 06:53:34 PM 1329 Views
No it's not - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM 1145 Views
- 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM 1106 Views
How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent? - 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM 1215 Views
How do you know there's a difference? - 06/10/2012 06:53:33 AM 1271 Views
- 06/10/2012 03:15:25 PM 1259 Views
the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM* - 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM 792 Views
Not really - 07/10/2012 09:57:56 PM 1234 Views
I agree with this PoV - 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM 1417 Views
Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM 1228 Views
I think you use the word Talent too liberally - 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM 1337 Views
I disagree - 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM 1237 Views
I sort of agree with Sidious there - 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM 1245 Views
Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM 1425 Views
That has no relevance here - 09/10/2012 06:29:34 PM 1167 Views
Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1714 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider - 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM 1196 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1368 Views
I noticed that... - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1361 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 1218 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1502 Views
On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 05:24:11 PM 1268 Views
Re: On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 06:07:20 PM 1420 Views
True - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 1292 Views
Life skills and OP skills... - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 1167 Views
Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM 1329 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM 1373 Views
And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1296 Views
Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM 1425 Views
The point is the same regardless - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1318 Views
Here's an answer to your original question - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1372 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 668 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM 1424 Views
You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1335 Views
I know - 02/10/2012 07:27:14 PM 1353 Views
Our stance seems to be Nature v. nurture in nature - 02/10/2012 11:21:50 PM 1311 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM 1322 Views
Trollocs have dreams - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1402 Views
XKCD is on the case! - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 1270 Views
Re: Problems with gateways - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 1151 Views

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