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Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM
Like making a ridiculous Gateway. But when fighting Demandred a mixed circle of 3 is no more powerful than he is, or when shielding Rand 4 women couldn't hold him, or when they said it took 6 to shield Logain and any fewer would not have been able too ... yet RJ also states that Talents don't "added" ... I'm arguing that the text is inconsistent not that circles should see an exponential increase in effectiveness ... they just don't always have that kind of increase.
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Problems with gateways Narg - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 2941 Views
Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it. *NM* Tom - 28/09/2012 05:47:13 PM 681 Views
Yeah, I realize that raising physics questions about fantasy books can be absurd... Narg - 28/09/2012 06:03:05 PM 1159 Views
It's been discussed before... DomA - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1512 Views
I would agree with this A Deathwatch Guard - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1159 Views
Re: I would agree with this DomA - 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM 1299 Views
Egwene would likely also know since she puzzled it out as well darius_sedai - 28/09/2012 07:28:22 PM 1294 Views
Especially when opening a gateway into a void like in Skimming (though that is probably T'A'R too) Onarishma - 04/10/2012 03:13:29 PM 1182 Views
Regarding shadowspawn: Narg - 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM 1457 Views
Isn't there a quote somewhere about this? darius_sedai - 28/09/2012 07:30:40 PM 1292 Views
There is echooff - 28/09/2012 07:52:30 PM 1179 Views
Can Fain pass through a Gateway? Marshall - 28/09/2012 08:11:59 PM 1214 Views
Re: Can Fain pass through a Gateway? DomA - 02/10/2012 02:37:58 AM 1196 Views
Here's a neat idea Marshall - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1322 Views
Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM 992 Views
I don't think RJ thought about it Sidious - 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM 1196 Views
Absurd question... fionwe1987 - 28/09/2012 10:44:53 PM 1220 Views
Doesn't it meet your standards? Sidious - 29/09/2012 07:47:12 AM 1300 Views
Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... fionwe1987 - 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM 1387 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... LoialT - 28/09/2012 11:12:54 PM 1204 Views
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *NM* Dreadlord - 01/10/2012 07:30:22 PM 616 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... DomA - 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM 1422 Views
Androl throws a kink in this darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM 1179 Views
Re: Androl throws a kink in this DomA - 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM 1356 Views
He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM 1112 Views
Gateway Talent I'd say Sidious - 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM 1217 Views
I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM 1233 Views
No I think they're more about strength Sidious - 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM 1365 Views
I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM 1228 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this Sidious - 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM 1214 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this fionwe1987 - 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM 1227 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this Sidious - 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM 1190 Views
Egwene could not heal Gawyn darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM 1274 Views
She did Heal him Sidious - 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM 1151 Views
and *gasp* maybe breeding. Onarishma - 04/10/2012 05:36:59 PM 1156 Views
Re-read some stuff darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM 1222 Views
Re: Re-read some stuff Sidious - 05/10/2012 08:22:06 AM 1076 Views
Um she tries out of desperation? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 03:06:59 PM 1202 Views
Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM 1428 Views
But his thought processes are sound Sidious - 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM 1116 Views
It's in Chapter 5 of TGS darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM 1194 Views
Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS Sidious - 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM 1134 Views
Why was Flinn so late and why bring up his Gateway? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 04:15:47 PM 1173 Views
Ummm... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM 1116 Views
Re: Ummm... Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM 1235 Views
I don't think RJ changed his mind darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM 1062 Views
Re: I don't think RJ changed his mind DomA - 07/10/2012 07:28:38 PM 1269 Views
I wasn't being very clear darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:45:15 PM 1196 Views
I think he did Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM 1208 Views
Maybe darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 07:48:24 PM 1113 Views
still don't think that's proof. It's just practical. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 07:06:15 PM 1116 Views
Interesting point you bring up about fighting for control darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 03:44:26 AM 1102 Views
She wouldn't have to guess! Onarishma - 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM 1118 Views
Really? Where is that quote? All we've heard is a woman needs to be strong enough darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 11:44:15 PM 1100 Views
There is only one book left. It is definitely not LIKELY Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:06:04 PM 1114 Views
I can agree with most of that ... I simply believe that the Talent dictates the amount of strength darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 03:53:21 AM 1057 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM 1002 Views
Re: Exactly... Sidious - 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM 1035 Views
Re: Exactly... fionwe1987 - 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM 1150 Views
AND... darius_sedai - 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM 1005 Views
Re: AND... Sidious - 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM 1191 Views
Again THANK YOU! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 979 Views
Re: AND... darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM 1106 Views
Re: AND... Sidious - 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM 1179 Views
I only discount direct statements when we are explicitly shown that they are incorrect darius_sedai - 13/10/2012 06:55:38 PM 1083 Views
Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it Sidious - 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM 1172 Views
TY!!! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1179 Views
You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM 1375 Views
Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise Sidious - 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM 1140 Views
Are you reading mine? darius_sedai - 13/10/2012 07:09:02 PM 1056 Views
Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 902 Views
the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times? darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM 1173 Views
THANK YOU!!! Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 1098 Views
Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct Onarishma - 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM 1128 Views
to the point on the Circle darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1143 Views
Circles don't add the Talents... fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM 1115 Views
I had forgotten about Brendas! darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 1118 Views
I've been thinking about this darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM 1065 Views
Circles give added precision, remember? fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 1097 Views
I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM 971 Views
Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... fionwe1987 - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1137 Views
Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM 1043 Views
Highly doubtful... fionwe1987 - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 1105 Views
Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM 1073 Views
Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1108 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 1059 Views
That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM 1124 Views
Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM 1122 Views
the text is not inconsistent. Onarishma - 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1562 Views
I see, it only counts when it supports your point! Why didn't I think of that! darius_sedai - 20/10/2012 03:58:27 AM 1205 Views
RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level Onarishma - 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM 1097 Views
Not so much darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:28:44 AM 1098 Views
I'm still arguing about this but I think the evidence is that AS holding a shield are not linked. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:59:20 PM 1156 Views
I've given this point some thought too ... It's a dicey subject darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:22:23 AM 1024 Views
THAT is proof of the power of LINKING. This is why thirteen Morgases could smash Rand. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 08:41:45 PM 996 Views
It's one example that supports the exponential increase ... not arguing that darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:40:08 AM 1099 Views
Re: to the point on the Circle Onarishma - 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM 1072 Views
Healing is a thing of the physical body darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM 1127 Views
Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM* Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM 492 Views
Didn't I just say that? darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:31:22 AM 1050 Views
That's what makes a Talent a Talent.... Onarishma - 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM 1126 Views
There is so much evidence against this darius_sedai - 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM 1196 Views
Androl does not match Rands Gateway size. Onarishma - 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM 1204 Views
Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. fionwe1987 - 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM 1061 Views
+500 ... Well said sir! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 04:52:38 AM 795 Views
He's referring to skimming Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM 1249 Views
I think we aren't far off in interpretation darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM 1089 Views
Re: I think we aren't far off in interpretation Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:41:12 PM 1088 Views
We are close enough on this point darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 08:02:48 PM 1196 Views
Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. Onarishma - 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM 1127 Views
Please explain Androl then darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM 1143 Views
OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM 1103 Views
You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent darius_sedai - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM 1150 Views
there is no waffle here. plenty of syrup though.... Onarishma - 18/10/2012 06:53:34 PM 1165 Views
No it's not darius_sedai - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM 998 Views
fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM 958 Views
i will gladly find you the quote where it it is the right size and ONLY takes more power. Onarishma - 11/10/2012 11:18:15 PM 1121 Views
I don't think so... Spirit is used in many weaves (like Healing) as part of the weave darius_sedai - 12/10/2012 04:38:29 AM 1111 Views
I was incorrect about the size. but ultimately not incorrect about her evaluation quote within Onarishma - 18/10/2012 03:28:30 PM 1287 Views
How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM 1058 Views
How do you know there's a difference? Sidious - 06/10/2012 06:53:33 AM 1133 Views
darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:15:25 PM 1115 Views
the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM* Onarishma - 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM 713 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 09:57:56 PM 1076 Views
I agree with this PoV Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM 1242 Views
Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM 1074 Views
I think you use the word Talent too liberally Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM 1188 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM 1109 Views
I sort of agree with Sidious there DomA - 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM 1095 Views
Flinn has difficulty with the weave. Unlike Aviendha he doesn't has a second weave problem darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 06:17:34 PM 1061 Views
Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... Onarishma - 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM 1247 Views
That has no relevance here darius_sedai - 09/10/2012 06:29:34 PM 1015 Views
Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1522 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 03:49:05 AM 1092 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM 1061 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. DomA - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1203 Views
Cadsuane possessing a strong Talent for Traveling would not be surprising to me darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:15:17 PM 1138 Views
I noticed that... fionwe1987 - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1193 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. Sidious - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 1080 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. DomA - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1332 Views
On Healing and Yellows... fionwe1987 - 09/10/2012 05:24:11 PM 1120 Views
Re: On Healing and Yellows... DomA - 09/10/2012 06:07:20 PM 1245 Views
True darius_sedai - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 1129 Views
Life skills and OP skills... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 1021 Views
Or the reverse could be true darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM 1177 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true Sidious - 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM 1221 Views
And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1147 Views
Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time DomA - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM 1269 Views
The point is the same regardless darius_sedai - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1174 Views
Here's an answer to your original question Sidious - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1227 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 602 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true DomA - 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM 1265 Views
You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1182 Views
I know DomA - 02/10/2012 07:27:14 PM 1202 Views
Our stance seems to be Nature v. nurture in nature darius_sedai - 02/10/2012 11:21:50 PM 1153 Views
weaves are not magical entities that exist in channelers. They are tools that are invented. Onarishma - 05/10/2012 06:17:31 PM 1140 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM 1125 Views
Trollocs have dreams Onarishma - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1206 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... DomA - 06/10/2012 02:05:30 PM 1169 Views
Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology? LoialT - 06/10/2012 06:54:27 PM 1176 Views
Re: Was Avendoraldera a separate construct, and what to make of the Green Man cosmology? DomA - 06/10/2012 10:04:41 PM 1344 Views
XKCD is on the case! Tor - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 1106 Views
Re: Problems with gateways Onarishma - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 988 Views
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