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No it's not darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM
if Talent was simply the ability to manipulate a weave how do you explain Talents that don't require weaves?

Talents come in several known types:

1. A random ability that does not require the OP ... Dreaming, Foretelling (assuming this is what Min does), Wolf Brothers, Sniffers ...

2. A random ability that only a Channeler can possess, but does not require a weave ... Seeing Ta'veren is the first thing that comes to mind here (IIRC Siuan lost this ability when she was Stilled, but it came back when she was Healed). and possibly Listening to the Wind (IIRC Moiraine claims it's semi-common) and Aviendha's ability to read Ter'angreal.

3. Ability to perform certain tasks with the Power that are not 100% dependent on the amount of Power used ... i.e. Healing, Delving (earth delving), Traveling, ... any Channeler can achieve a certain level of effect, but the Talent dictates how much.

4. Abilities related to the OP that only a very select few can accomplish, but they require active Channeling ... i.e. making Ter'angreal, Cuenidillar creation, possibly Forging (can't be certain on this one though)

The only category Traveling fits into is #3
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Problems with gateways - 28/09/2012 05:02:47 PM 3077 Views
It's been discussed before... - 28/09/2012 06:04:35 PM 1640 Views
I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:35:14 PM 1299 Views
Re: I would agree with this - 28/09/2012 06:56:57 PM 1423 Views
Regarding shadowspawn: - 28/09/2012 07:19:38 PM 1657 Views
Isn't there a quote somewhere about this? - 28/09/2012 07:30:40 PM 1406 Views
There is - 28/09/2012 07:52:30 PM 1298 Views
Can Fain pass through a Gateway? - 28/09/2012 08:11:59 PM 1330 Views
Re: Can Fain pass through a Gateway? - 02/10/2012 02:37:58 AM 1330 Views
Here's a neat idea - 28/09/2012 08:07:52 PM 1467 Views
Found an interesting quote when I was looking into something else - 07/10/2012 12:57:21 AM 1125 Views
I don't think RJ thought about it - 28/09/2012 07:44:34 PM 1324 Views
Absurd question... - 28/09/2012 10:44:53 PM 1364 Views
Doesn't it meet your standards? - 29/09/2012 07:47:12 AM 1439 Views
Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:02:39 PM 1531 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 28/09/2012 11:12:54 PM 1353 Views
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *NM* - 01/10/2012 07:30:22 PM 671 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 01/10/2012 09:03:47 PM 1570 Views
Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 01:14:16 AM 1338 Views
Re: Androl throws a kink in this - 02/10/2012 02:30:23 AM 1502 Views
He said he can make one large enough for a Wagon to pass through - 02/10/2012 03:23:26 AM 1230 Views
Gateway Talent I'd say - 02/10/2012 08:55:26 AM 1327 Views
I think Androl is proof that gateways are more about a the Talent than strength - 02/10/2012 09:00:26 AM 1374 Views
No I think they're more about strength - 02/10/2012 09:27:17 AM 1477 Views
I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 02/10/2012 04:47:59 PM 1351 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:04:11 AM 1340 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 07:43:12 AM 1364 Views
Re: I disagree with Logain being a credible source on this - 03/10/2012 09:59:13 AM 1306 Views
Egwene could not heal Gawyn - 03/10/2012 02:34:08 PM 1402 Views
She did Heal him - 04/10/2012 08:30:14 AM 1275 Views
and *gasp* maybe breeding. - 04/10/2012 05:36:59 PM 1297 Views
Re-read some stuff - 04/10/2012 07:57:50 PM 1366 Views
Re: Re-read some stuff - 05/10/2012 08:22:06 AM 1235 Views
Um she tries out of desperation? - 05/10/2012 03:06:59 PM 1331 Views
Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 03/10/2012 02:13:08 PM 1558 Views
But his thought processes are sound - 04/10/2012 08:20:13 AM 1263 Views
It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 04/10/2012 09:48:49 PM 1339 Views
Re: It's in Chapter 5 of TGS - 05/10/2012 08:28:13 AM 1239 Views
Why was Flinn so late and why bring up his Gateway? - 05/10/2012 04:15:47 PM 1271 Views
Ummm... - 05/10/2012 08:42:19 PM 1237 Views
Re: Ummm... - 06/10/2012 07:53:10 AM 1362 Views
I don't think RJ changed his mind - 06/10/2012 03:13:44 PM 1190 Views
Re: I don't think RJ changed his mind - 07/10/2012 07:28:38 PM 1403 Views
I wasn't being very clear - 07/10/2012 09:45:15 PM 1338 Views
I think he did - 08/10/2012 05:32:35 PM 1329 Views
Maybe - 08/10/2012 07:48:24 PM 1230 Views
still don't think that's proof. It's just practical. - 11/10/2012 07:06:15 PM 1257 Views
Interesting point you bring up about fighting for control - 12/10/2012 03:44:26 AM 1216 Views
She wouldn't have to guess! - 09/10/2012 08:43:54 PM 1243 Views
Exactly... - 10/10/2012 12:35:16 AM 1134 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:29:13 AM 1159 Views
Re: Exactly... - 10/10/2012 10:06:08 PM 1265 Views
AND... - 10/10/2012 10:15:14 PM 1134 Views
Re: AND... - 11/10/2012 04:46:31 PM 1310 Views
Again THANK YOU! - 11/10/2012 08:35:10 PM 1106 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 04:09:25 AM 1240 Views
Re: AND... - 12/10/2012 08:57:46 AM 1289 Views
Because let's be honest, it's rarely a Talent and you both know it - 11/10/2012 04:44:27 PM 1319 Views
TY!!! - 11/10/2012 08:38:44 PM 1327 Views
You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 04:13:06 AM 1476 Views
Re: You are basing this entire post on a fundamentally flawed premise - 12/10/2012 08:52:02 AM 1264 Views
Are you reading mine? - 13/10/2012 07:09:02 PM 1185 Views
Apoplexy, that is what is happening on my side of the screen - 11/10/2012 08:31:30 PM 1060 Views
the fact that Egwene is proven incorrect on this any number of times? - 12/10/2012 04:14:35 AM 1290 Views
THANK YOU!!! - 11/10/2012 08:26:49 PM 1223 Views
Re: Logain may be correct that Rand is stronger, but his reason is not correct - 04/10/2012 09:51:08 PM 1271 Views
to the point on the Circle - 06/10/2012 09:36:18 PM 1290 Views
Circles don't add the Talents... - 07/10/2012 03:34:47 AM 1242 Views
I had forgotten about Brendas! - 07/10/2012 05:15:52 AM 1242 Views
I've been thinking about this - 07/10/2012 10:11:22 PM 1187 Views
Circles give added precision, remember? - 07/10/2012 11:27:05 PM 1228 Views
I get that, but the evidence in front of me from the text is inconsistent to the quote - 08/10/2012 12:11:15 AM 1093 Views
Circles of larger numbers give added benefit... - 08/10/2012 02:00:58 AM 1282 Views
Egwene with a sa'angreal might be like 15x her natural strength, so maybe 9-10x Rand - 08/10/2012 02:59:26 AM 1192 Views
Highly doubtful... - 08/10/2012 01:36:47 PM 1222 Views
Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 03:31:20 PM 1193 Views
Re: Meh, I don't really care all that much, I just don't think this adds up to the text. - 08/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1241 Views
That is actually the crux of my issue - 08/10/2012 07:52:52 PM 1205 Views
That's why its called exponential. It is NOT linear and that why the gains look ridiculous - 11/10/2012 10:00:15 PM 1246 Views
Yet that only explains when a circle does certain things - 12/10/2012 04:18:36 AM 1264 Views
the text is not inconsistent. - 19/10/2012 08:20:52 PM 1712 Views
RJ specifically said that was ONLY because of Forsaken skill level - 11/10/2012 09:02:03 PM 1256 Views
Not so much - 12/10/2012 04:28:44 AM 1252 Views
Re: to the point on the Circle - 07/10/2012 06:09:48 PM 1204 Views
Healing is a thing of the physical body - 07/10/2012 09:50:37 PM 1242 Views
Suian was stilled for hiding these boys. obviously trust was the issue. not healing skill. *NM* - 11/10/2012 10:11:50 PM 547 Views
Didn't I just say that? - 12/10/2012 04:31:22 AM 1170 Views
That's what makes a Talent a Talent.... - 04/10/2012 05:02:36 PM 1254 Views
There is so much evidence against this - 04/10/2012 08:04:45 PM 1322 Views
Androl does not match Rands Gateway size. - 05/10/2012 05:59:34 PM 1344 Views
Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 05/10/2012 08:51:58 PM 1183 Views
+500 ... Well said sir! *NM* - 06/10/2012 04:52:38 AM 855 Views
He's referring to skimming - 06/10/2012 07:08:14 AM 1367 Views
I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 06/10/2012 02:48:46 PM 1225 Views
Re: I think we aren't far off in interpretation - 08/10/2012 05:41:12 PM 1217 Views
We are close enough on this point - 08/10/2012 08:02:48 PM 1354 Views
Re: Rand states straight out that gateway size is not OP strength dependent. - 07/10/2012 06:37:32 PM 1253 Views
Please explain Androl then - 07/10/2012 09:48:54 PM 1274 Views
OMG. Androl DOES have a Talent. NO ONE is disputing that. - 11/10/2012 10:50:41 PM 1244 Views
You have waffled back and forth on Traveling being a Talent - 14/10/2012 03:01:03 AM 1276 Views
there is no waffle here. plenty of syrup though.... - 18/10/2012 06:53:34 PM 1309 Views
No it's not - 19/10/2012 04:25:25 AM 1122 Views
- 07/10/2012 11:35:00 PM 1082 Views
How many different times does the text have to say Traveling is a Talent? - 05/10/2012 11:54:19 PM 1186 Views
How do you know there's a difference? - 06/10/2012 06:53:33 AM 1253 Views
- 06/10/2012 03:15:25 PM 1236 Views
the text calls a lot of things Talents when they're just lost weaves...Traveling is one of them. *NM* - 07/10/2012 07:03:35 PM 781 Views
Not really - 07/10/2012 09:57:56 PM 1213 Views
I agree with this PoV - 06/10/2012 07:19:52 AM 1397 Views
Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 06/10/2012 03:36:24 PM 1208 Views
I think you use the word Talent too liberally - 08/10/2012 05:45:39 PM 1318 Views
I disagree - 08/10/2012 08:08:04 PM 1211 Views
I sort of agree with Sidious there - 09/10/2012 03:03:54 PM 1219 Views
Re: Yes, Healing Talent is incredibly rare and only implies out of proportion ability... - 09/10/2012 02:37:10 PM 1394 Views
That has no relevance here - 09/10/2012 06:29:34 PM 1142 Views
Beonin's Gateway v. Egwene's v. Rand's v. Aviendha and Elayne Edit: made a math mistake - 06/10/2012 08:34:56 PM 1681 Views
This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. And some added points to consider - 07/10/2012 04:09:33 AM 1172 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 07/10/2012 07:46:51 PM 1337 Views
I noticed that... - 07/10/2012 11:38:18 PM 1330 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 08/10/2012 05:47:57 PM 1193 Views
Re: This debate is restricted by the "largest Gateway possible" issue. - 09/10/2012 05:08:34 PM 1472 Views
On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 05:24:11 PM 1240 Views
Re: On Healing and Yellows... - 09/10/2012 06:07:20 PM 1401 Views
True - 07/10/2012 10:01:42 PM 1263 Views
Life skills and OP skills... - 02/10/2012 06:40:00 AM 1144 Views
Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 08:43:37 AM 1302 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 09:12:28 AM 1346 Views
And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 02/10/2012 04:55:30 PM 1274 Views
Re: And Egwene was training to be Wisdom ... I don't know that any of this is true 100% of the time - 03/10/2012 12:55:01 AM 1397 Views
The point is the same regardless - 03/10/2012 05:14:36 AM 1293 Views
Here's an answer to your original question - 06/10/2012 07:21:27 AM 1344 Views
*takes a bow* ... thanks for finding that quote! *NM* - 06/10/2012 08:41:49 PM 656 Views
Re: Or the reverse could be true - 02/10/2012 01:02:03 PM 1396 Views
You misunderstand the nature of the Yellow - 02/10/2012 05:06:20 PM 1308 Views
I know - 02/10/2012 07:27:14 PM 1335 Views
Our stance seems to be Nature v. nurture in nature - 02/10/2012 11:21:50 PM 1286 Views
Re: Gateways, Tel'aran'rhiod and Dreamspikes... - 02/10/2012 06:38:11 AM 1298 Views
Trollocs have dreams - 05/10/2012 06:39:49 PM 1364 Views
XKCD is on the case! - 03/10/2012 06:05:54 AM 1235 Views
Re: Problems with gateways - 04/10/2012 03:10:48 PM 1119 Views

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