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Well... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM

I don't seem to recall any discussions of burning people at the stake in any of Roberts' posts. I would say that, mocking or not, that such a comment goes quite a bit beyond satire and toward the sort of comment that some of Terry Goodkind's more deluded fanatics have posted over the years.

No, there were no such comments in the blog. But then, I don't think Sidious meant any of it literally.
And in no way is this in anyway reminiscent of Mystar and his ilk. It is quite obvious that Sidious criticizes RJ for several things, including some things on which Adam Roberts would likely agree. He's far from a fan-boy.

As for your opinions on this, well...things do go more than one way.

Of course. Yet that kind of understanding has been completely lacking in Roberts' own posts about the series. The best he could come up with is that people liked the books for their length and the comfort that offered. I didn't see you take exception to that...


I don't think "condescending" is the word to use here. When I originally posted this thread, it was to see what discussion might occur out of it, in the now vain hope that it'd be more substantive than what has been produced. So yes, after a while, the circular nature of the arguments on all sides (I didn't exclude myself from that comment, after all) became repetitive and I mostly just posted the links out of habit than anything else.

Your initial motives are not the issue here. You say you found the discussion here circular. It was clear people here found the discussion in the blog tasteless and stupid. What could possibly be the point of posting links from each place in the other except to stoke up the heat?
By itself, that isn't even objectionable.


No, it's not hypocritical when I've been quite open about my thoughts for months now.

What's the connection? I never said you lied about your thoughts on WoT. What I said was that you spent considerable effort defending Roberts on this board, but label those who defend RJ as fan-boys, irrespective of the fact that some people had well reasoned arguments for why they found him an interesting read.

After all, why else would I comment inside the blog posts and have links where people here could read it if they so chose? And here's a question to consider: why do some feel as those their (or the dead author's) honor has been besmirched? After all, mocking or not, no one makes comments about imbeciles and burning dissidents at the stake unless there's a wee bit too much attachment to something.

Then perhaps a glance at some of Sidious's posts is in order? Because he's far from showing any undue attachment to RJ and his works. Though I suspect that, like me, he took exception to statements that WoT was bourgeois fiction that is read by people attracted to its "inherent" safety. That goes several steps beyond calling someone an imbecile, as far as I'm concerned.
It takes the "fan" part and restores the original, somewhat connotation of "fanatic" to me.

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This has become such an easy way out of any discussion its becoming frustrating. It is one thing to call someone who goes to various sites and defends his pet author and insults his detractors a fanatic. It is quite something else to level the same accusation at any and everyone who thinks some popular genre author is great.

Perhaps I'm just too cynical to see the point in all this and should just bow out of such discussions in the future.

Maybe. Clearly, you have a standard set on what is good fiction and what is not. And after going through your comments in Roberts' blog, it seems clear you have no issues with characterizing some with different standards as people with poor taste (not in so many words, but the implication is rather clear).
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 12789 Views
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Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1473 Views
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+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1688 Views
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And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2374 Views
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Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2333 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2246 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2285 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2208 Views
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! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2286 Views
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Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2391 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2421 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2406 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1442 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2335 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2322 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2388 Views
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pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2220 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2475 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2343 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2313 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1614 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2273 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2398 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2221 Views
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Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2121 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2417 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1447 Views
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Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2251 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2216 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2205 Views
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This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2249 Views
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*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2263 Views
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No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2197 Views
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Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2273 Views
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I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2324 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2458 Views
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I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2175 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2220 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2117 Views
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I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2211 Views
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True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2195 Views
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But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2256 Views
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I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2229 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2258 Views
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Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2167 Views
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You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2326 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2454 Views
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What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2413 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2426 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2487 Views
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Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2671 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2119 Views
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Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2381 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2257 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2200 Views
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Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2105 Views
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for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2382 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2422 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2286 Views
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You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2143 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2185 Views
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You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2212 Views
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I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2231 Views
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Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2330 Views
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I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2167 Views
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Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2076 Views
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He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2262 Views
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Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2267 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2281 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2244 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2288 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2083 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2249 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2099 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2141 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2217 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2320 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2367 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2308 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2059 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2373 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2366 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3477 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2053 Views
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Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2077 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2264 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2224 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2131 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3054 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2256 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2220 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2267 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2249 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2248 Views
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Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3184 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2224 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1412 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2164 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2241 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2184 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2625 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2127 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2039 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2270 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2244 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2217 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2316 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2251 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2080 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2291 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2198 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2486 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2315 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2339 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2385 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1283 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2136 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2365 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2474 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2224 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2363 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2228 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2553 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2376 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1288 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2249 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2329 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2268 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2328 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9784 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2257 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2345 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2331 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2343 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2347 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2323 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2485 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2171 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2249 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2251 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2174 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2421 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2424 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1349 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2184 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1266 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2127 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1393 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2124 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2313 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2302 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2167 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2556 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2310 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1275 Views

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