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I don't seem to recall any discussions of burning people at the stake in any of Roberts' posts. I would say that, mocking or not, that such a comment goes quite a bit beyond satire and toward the sort of comment that some of Terry Goodkind's more deluded fanatics have posted over the years.

No, there were no such comments in the blog. But then, I don't think Sidious meant any of it literally.
And in no way is this in anyway reminiscent of Mystar and his ilk. It is quite obvious that Sidious criticizes RJ for several things, including some things on which Adam Roberts would likely agree. He's far from a fan-boy.

As for your opinions on this, well...things do go more than one way.

Of course. Yet that kind of understanding has been completely lacking in Roberts' own posts about the series. The best he could come up with is that people liked the books for their length and the comfort that offered. I didn't see you take exception to that...


I don't think "condescending" is the word to use here. When I originally posted this thread, it was to see what discussion might occur out of it, in the now vain hope that it'd be more substantive than what has been produced. So yes, after a while, the circular nature of the arguments on all sides (I didn't exclude myself from that comment, after all) became repetitive and I mostly just posted the links out of habit than anything else.

Your initial motives are not the issue here. You say you found the discussion here circular. It was clear people here found the discussion in the blog tasteless and stupid. What could possibly be the point of posting links from each place in the other except to stoke up the heat?
By itself, that isn't even objectionable.


No, it's not hypocritical when I've been quite open about my thoughts for months now.

What's the connection? I never said you lied about your thoughts on WoT. What I said was that you spent considerable effort defending Roberts on this board, but label those who defend RJ as fan-boys, irrespective of the fact that some people had well reasoned arguments for why they found him an interesting read.

After all, why else would I comment inside the blog posts and have links where people here could read it if they so chose? And here's a question to consider: why do some feel as those their (or the dead author's) honor has been besmirched? After all, mocking or not, no one makes comments about imbeciles and burning dissidents at the stake unless there's a wee bit too much attachment to something.

Then perhaps a glance at some of Sidious's posts is in order? Because he's far from showing any undue attachment to RJ and his works. Though I suspect that, like me, he took exception to statements that WoT was bourgeois fiction that is read by people attracted to its "inherent" safety. That goes several steps beyond calling someone an imbecile, as far as I'm concerned.
It takes the "fan" part and restores the original, somewhat connotation of "fanatic" to me.

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This has become such an easy way out of any discussion its becoming frustrating. It is one thing to call someone who goes to various sites and defends his pet author and insults his detractors a fanatic. It is quite something else to level the same accusation at any and everyone who thinks some popular genre author is great.

Perhaps I'm just too cynical to see the point in all this and should just bow out of such discussions in the future.

Maybe. Clearly, you have a standard set on what is good fiction and what is not. And after going through your comments in Roberts' blog, it seems clear you have no issues with characterizing some with different standards as people with poor taste (not in so many words, but the implication is rather clear).
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Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 907 Views
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Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1370 Views
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I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1365 Views
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pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1181 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1404 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1262 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1283 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1085 Views
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Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1238 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1231 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1197 Views
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Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1194 Views
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I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1196 Views
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True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1198 Views
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for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1361 Views
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since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1265 Views
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Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1189 Views
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You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1193 Views
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Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1304 Views
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right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1273 Views
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Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1121 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1259 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1232 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1142 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2068 Views
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I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1113 Views
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Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1216 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1233 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1187 Views
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Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1051 Views
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Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1187 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1205 Views
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Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1200 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1070 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1262 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1145 Views
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A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1301 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1280 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 775 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1126 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1293 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1395 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1184 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1372 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1280 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1471 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1303 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 768 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1209 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1272 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1261 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1280 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8689 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1229 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1355 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1345 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1307 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1380 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1324 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1462 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1201 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1230 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1303 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1218 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1141 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1441 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 841 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1192 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 750 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1103 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 789 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1128 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1238 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1344 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1115 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1396 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1280 Views

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