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Hrmm... Larry Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM
I am basically through the first part and it has gotten *slightly* better. He has still completely failed to create even 1 character in the novel that seems either real or interesting, and his scientific errors continue to compound. I especially love his idea of droping a 50km milimeter thin tube out the bottom of an orbital habitat as a source of fresh air. Not 2 tubes, and intake and an out take, which would of course double the atmospheric drag of the single tube he did include which would have been more than enough to drag his 3 room tin can out of orbit. But hey, if you're going to ignore the atmospheric effects of a 50KM metal tube, and even posit that in 50 years there will be a material that can be dangled 50KM into a planetary well without shearing, please explain how you are going to pump atmosphere through 50KM of 1mm tube and have it be bi-directional. Puhleese... without an incredibley high speed pump the air flow will be miniscule. The scene when the character finishes unreeling the tube then calls the main character Klara over and is all excited about the COLD fresh air that tehy can feel blowing fro the tube. We will pass on the amount of airflow that could squeeze through the tube, adn any question about the amount of pressure differential that existed to cause it, but COLD air??? Uhhh atmospheric friction anyone??? 50KM of metal tube is dragging through the atmosphere and this guy is talking about COLD air. sheesh.

There are many more, and larger, political, philosophical, historical, and scientific errors/plot holes.

I reiterate and expand upon what I posted previously, this is an interesting premis, but it is far from a complete work. It needs 1 hell of a good editor and at least 1 major rewrite. I really hope it gets better.


Perhaps it's just one of those works where artistic liberties with certain relatively obscure scientific principles is going to grate on those who have more than a general, vague awareness of the principles involved?
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 10169 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2163 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1911 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2104 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 963 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1468 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2017 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 920 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1561 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1486 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 814 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1849 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1373 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1372 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1386 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1364 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1734 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 922 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1536 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1574 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1359 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1335 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1354 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 902 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 772 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1448 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1387 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1254 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1307 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1174 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1312 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1207 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1121 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1235 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1275 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1354 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1359 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1390 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1383 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1387 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1311 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1205 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1445 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1292 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1306 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1102 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1281 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1382 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1259 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1624 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1191 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1399 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 931 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1381 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1260 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1251 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1221 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1354 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1279 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1327 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1310 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1361 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1189 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1203 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1259 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1302 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1304 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1220 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1253 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1209 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1208 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1357 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1430 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1247 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1218 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1222 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1207 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1284 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1220 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1371 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1222 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1134 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1261 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1282 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1237 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1326 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1290 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1280 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1321 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1152 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1414 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10026 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1320 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1483 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1207 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1345 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1388 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1436 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1284 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1475 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1442 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1430 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1862 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1669 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1161 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1253 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 817 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1424 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1247 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1262 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1142 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1170 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1455 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1126 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1231 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1383 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1426 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1288 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1360 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1136 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1222 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1140 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1218 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1169 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1336 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1259 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1128 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1328 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1228 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1217 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1276 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1096 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1310 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1267 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1281 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1790 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1200 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1332 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1293 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1300 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1100 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1233 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1161 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1157 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1158 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1347 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1367 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1321 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1115 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1321 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1365 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2516 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1120 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1168 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1140 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1279 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1252 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1164 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2092 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1241 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1209 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1242 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1132 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1259 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1311 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2227 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1223 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 902 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1234 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1251 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1209 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1436 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1163 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1074 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1256 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1217 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1231 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1327 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1228 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1090 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1284 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1168 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1531 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1270 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1319 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1304 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 785 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1147 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1311 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1419 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1205 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1394 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1301 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1499 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1323 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 780 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1228 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1292 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1288 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1303 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8709 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1253 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1372 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1370 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1326 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1406 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1345 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1484 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1221 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1253 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1323 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1248 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1162 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1464 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 852 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1217 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 763 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1122 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 801 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1146 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1264 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1365 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1143 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1418 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1297 Views

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