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To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much Larry Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM
and yet the reviewer has completely missed the soul of the series. Sure you can pick apart areas of weak writing, and a penchant for rambling that RJ had, but the reviewer has also completely missed that any one of the army of fans out there could quiet possible tell you more about the history of WOT and it's world leaders than most high school kids could tell you about the real world they live in.


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I'm not sure I'm explaining it all that well, but I find it charming that a WOT reader knows enough about this world to talk about Political alliances amongst Ajahs in the Tower, or that the women in Ebou Dar wear dresses with oval cut outs to show their marriage knife, and what the various gems in that knife represent etc... I like that we know what to expect of any given new character simply from hearing they are a Domani or a Cairheinin or from Far Madding.


I'd be careful not to confuse regulars at fansites with casual readers who tend to make up the majority of the readership of any book/series. And to be honest, I seem to recall thinking that having characters that were pretty much stereotypes was not clever, but rather an annoying character development shortcut.

There is a weight to RJs work that makes WOT feel real, a personalization he brings to each character and every town, a national and cultural identity for every person that we encounter along the way. I think all that detail makes WOT feel like a real place with real people, even when the specifics of the writing are overdone or seem to go nowhere, or could have been expedited with a few quick phrases rather than 3 chapters of descriptions.


Oh, I'll agree there's a "weight" to it, but I don't quite share your appreciation for it, unfortunately. It was an interesting tale at one point (or else I wouldn't bother commenting on it), but the weight of its narrative and structural problems lessened that enjoyment to the point that I haven't read any of the first nine novels in nearly 10 years and the last three only once each, with little desire for a re-read of any. What you highlight as positives end up being negatives for me. I guess the internet acronym of YMMV is applicable here.


I don't read WOT because I'm looking for well structured fiction, or a commentary on society. I read WOT because it's a nice little escape into a world that feels familiar and has a realness that I've not found in other fantasy... in fact WOT is the only fantasy I've read in decades.


Not to knock you for your reading preferences, but why don't you try other stories? Reading only one or a small handful of authors I would think would be very limiting on one's enjoyment of fiction.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9909 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2063 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1826 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1994 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 890 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1379 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1926 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 869 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1456 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1397 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 754 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1740 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1290 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1283 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1293 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1279 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1629 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 851 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1451 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1487 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1275 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1233 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1272 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 851 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 708 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1365 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1300 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1175 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1216 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1086 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1235 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1127 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1051 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1139 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1198 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1246 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1260 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1310 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1311 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1296 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1231 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1102 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1336 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1202 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1226 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1051 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1189 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1299 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1186 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1541 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1124 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1317 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 869 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1290 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1185 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1164 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1138 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1265 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1194 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1249 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1219 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1257 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1107 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1100 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1172 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1218 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1223 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1141 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1161 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1111 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1111 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1277 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1334 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1169 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1131 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1133 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1118 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1194 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1131 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1291 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1128 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1038 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1171 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1203 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1150 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1234 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1214 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1192 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1230 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1069 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1319 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9938 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1224 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1401 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1114 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1255 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1303 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1352 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1200 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1395 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1361 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1353 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1779 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1580 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1080 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1174 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 753 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1346 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1175 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1175 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1055 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1091 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1372 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1047 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1138 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1289 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1345 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1206 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1272 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1046 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1124 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1057 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1144 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1078 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1236 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1171 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1049 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1243 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1152 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1127 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1195 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1011 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1221 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1182 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1205 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1723 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1126 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1240 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1205 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1212 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1009 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1132 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1071 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1053 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1068 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1265 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1285 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1235 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1026 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1231 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1281 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2436 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1038 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1081 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1057 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1204 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1172 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1082 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2009 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1160 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1126 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1140 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1049 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1166 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1229 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2124 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1133 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 845 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1156 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1159 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1123 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1324 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1076 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 999 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1169 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1115 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1129 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1234 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1128 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1005 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1187 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1095 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1434 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1183 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1227 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1217 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 737 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1063 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1218 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1319 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1116 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1301 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1216 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1387 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1233 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 718 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1138 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1211 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1193 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1214 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8604 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1171 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1296 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1278 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1238 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1316 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1261 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1399 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1139 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1172 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1239 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1148 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1083 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1380 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 801 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1134 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 702 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1035 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 745 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1065 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1171 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1288 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1051 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1319 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1225 Views

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