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Re: Here's the thing... Larry Send a noteboard - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM

Well, Roberts is known for his snark in reviews, which I did note when I posted this thread originally :P

Can I claim RJ is known for his long winded stories, and that should be evident given the lengths of the books? :P


You could and I believe those familiar with epic fantasies would get the joke behind that comment as well :P

Snark is all very well, but when that all there is, calling his pieces reviews or commentaries seems silly to me. Its like submitting all those Goodkind threads on Westeros (I don't know why, but that comparison just keeps coming back to me) as a PhD thesis on The Sword of Truth!


I don't think that's all there is to it, or else I wouldn't have posted it here (or at best, it would have been posted with a disclaimer noting that it was nothing but snark, to be taken lightly). The issues he raises about the nature of the sex/violent scenes, the way the prose is constructed, the plot branches, character development (or perceived lack thereof) are issues that are worthy of discussion. How well he explores those issues is the matter of contention, I suppose.

And yes, some of his complaints are repetitive, but perhaps some of those are due to certain perceived "defects" cropping up throughout the series? The prose certainly never gets to the "sparkling" level at any point that I recall; it did feel a bit padded throughout, to be honest. That is something that could be raised as a point about each individual volume. Whether you agree with it or not is a different matter :P

Of course there are criticisms that will run common to all the books. If I were to review them, I'd have positive things to say that will repeat too. But the overall structure of review is more or less the same, with more or less the same set of complaints, with barely anything new being added by the reviewer. If the point being made is that all the books are padded, full of clumsy prose and completely lifted-off from various authors the reviewer has read, then why have 12 reviews? Wouldn't one review after all the books are done with be better?


Actually, I agree that a single overarching review would have worked better, but since he chose to review each of the 12 individually, I guess the main sticking points will be made over and over. But here's a question that just occurred to me - How much "growth" do we see in the series from a technical aspect? Is the structure of the prose and scenes relatively static, or do we see discernible shifts in how characters and situations are presented?

It isn't like there aren't other elements he cannot comment about. Even if he wants to be exclusively negative about the books, there are issues he has barely raised which many other readers have complained about. What about a look at the gender imbalances portrayed in the books? That is pretty glaringly obvious by this book. Is Jordan's whole premise ridiculous? Or is it just shoddy execution?


Those are indeed aspects I wonder if Roberts has seen. Perhaps it'll appear in a later review? If it doesn't, then I'd agree with you that it was a major oversight on his part.

What about the whole savior-as-destroyer aspect of Rand that becomes so obvious in this book? Far from Jordan's invention or anything, but certainly a departure from the Tolkein-spawn fantasies of the time.


I don't know if it's as much this book or it appears in the next two, though. But yes, this is an important issue. Question is, how well did Jordan execute this vision?


And for someone who admittedly read it hurriedly, that's grounds for dismissing his point that there are indeed those similarities? It's little different than reviewers of various epic fantasy works noting the similarities (and possible derivations) between works. Yes, it is quite likely RJ wanted to have those similarities in there to serve a different purpose than what Roberts appears to concede, but there are quite a few of them, if I recall.

Come, this is a ridiculous argument. If you gave a student a copy of the Silmarillion to review, and he skimmed through it and all he could say is that the whole fall of Morgoth story was similar to Paradise Lost, you're not going to excuse him are you?


I'd probably do what I've been trying to do online for years (and in the classroom), which is tease out elements of contention and then ask questions in such a way as to (hopefully) get the student to ask deeper questions without being told by me that s/he was wrong.

The Dune parallels are there. So are the parallels to the Jains, and a host of others. Almost certainly, some of these also played a part in Herbert's own portrayal of the Fremen. But Robert's chose the intellectually lazy way out and simply pointed out the easy parallel.


How many Anglo-Americans do you expect would make any sort of connection to the Jains? Sometimes, the xeroxed source becomes viewed as being the original source because of cultural differences/ignorance of other societies. Viewing this through the lens of privileged information makes interpreting his conclusions tricky. Yes, you are aware of those parallels, but for someone who is not and this being an issue where relatively few readers would be aware, are you interpreting his stance as being one that should reflect a deeper, more reflective understanding, an understanding that usually doesn't occur the first time something is read? It's the very fact that his WoT posts are so obviously that of someone who's never read the various arguments on the books' sources/influences that fascinates me - you don't often get that around forums like this...because oftentimes, some regulars are so used to their pet interpretations or have come to view neophyte reader interpretations as facile or just wrongheaded that sometimes they lash out at the new readers, often silencing them in the process.

Why then is his review in any way worthy of reading or commenting upon? The author clearly has no time for the book, no time to read it, no time to think about it a little before commenting. What then makes it different from the host of Amazon reviews out there except the length and the admittedly better language? Are we to read this because it is a good review, or because a Cambridge professor and author with a penchant for snark decided he needed a book to deride?


Not because of who he is and what he does, but because the perspective is different from those who post regularly on the topic. May not agree with some (or any) of it, but having such perspectives to consider from time to time can be invaluable in getting experienced readers to reflect back on their own development. Or at least I'd hope something like that would be taking place.


I think it's more of a case where there is a more graphic description of warfare and suffering (and quasi-bondage scenes later in the series) than there is a deeper exploration of the coming-of-age issues that the characters have. The emotional/romance/love parts are perhaps a weak PG compared to the PG-13 to almost R-rated violence. That is something that is interesting, to say the least. But it's probably been discussed to death here over the years, I guess?

Not really, because, as FT pointed out, in the new era of "gritty" fantasy, the Wheel of Time is fairly tame when it comes to violence.


Perhaps compared to those, but I'm comparing it to itself here.

The few times there is sex on screen, the issue is skirted about, yes. While it is certainly worth exploring why Jordan felt he needed to do that, while showing a greater (but nowhere close to gratuitous) level of detail with the violence, that is not what Robert's talks about at all. He is evidently bored by the fight scenes, which are way below the lofty levels in which his nose resides. But some raunchy sex would do very well, thank you.


I don't know if that's the case or not. Will be curious to see what he has to say to your blog comment, though.

It seems to me you are almost projecting your own (reasonable and more authentic, because you actually read the book) critique of the book on the Robert's review.


Who knows? I'm trying not to, but it may be a case where I'm downplaying certain aspects because I can see the point, even if I don't always agree with the delivery!
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9890 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2053 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1820 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1989 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 886 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1371 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1920 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 860 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1450 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1388 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 751 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1730 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1283 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1274 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1285 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1271 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1624 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 847 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1444 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1481 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1269 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1222 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1264 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 844 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 705 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1360 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1289 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1170 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1209 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1077 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1229 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1120 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1043 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1132 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1190 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1242 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1254 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1306 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1306 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1288 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1220 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1095 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1329 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1197 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1220 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1049 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1181 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1291 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1178 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1534 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1116 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1312 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 865 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1284 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1179 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1159 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1133 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1261 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1186 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1243 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1215 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1250 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1101 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1094 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1167 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1214 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1216 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1136 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1155 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1105 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1104 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1271 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1329 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1163 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1126 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1125 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1114 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1187 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1125 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1283 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1122 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1031 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1164 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1198 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1144 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1229 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1209 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1185 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1224 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1062 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1312 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9929 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1220 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1393 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1108 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1249 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1292 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1345 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1195 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1389 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1354 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1349 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1772 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1573 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1075 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1167 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 751 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1336 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1169 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1168 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1049 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1084 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1365 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1040 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1130 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1284 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1337 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1200 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1268 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1039 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1118 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1046 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1136 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1072 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1230 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1166 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1040 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1238 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1144 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1116 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1190 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1003 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1214 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1173 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1200 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1714 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1113 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1234 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1197 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1207 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1000 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1127 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1059 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1047 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1063 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1258 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1280 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1226 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1019 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1222 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1274 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2429 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1029 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1073 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1047 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1197 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1167 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1075 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 1999 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1152 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1121 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1136 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1042 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1160 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1222 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2118 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1126 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 838 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1152 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1155 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1115 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1316 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1070 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 994 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1164 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1108 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1125 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1221 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1120 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 999 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1181 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1090 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1426 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1176 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1222 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1206 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 731 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1060 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1210 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1310 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1113 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1295 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1209 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1379 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1224 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 711 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1130 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1206 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1188 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1206 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8594 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1167 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1290 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1273 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1230 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1312 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1254 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1392 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1134 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1168 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1230 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1142 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1077 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1371 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 795 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1129 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 699 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1028 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 742 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1059 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1166 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1282 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1045 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1314 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1221 Views

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