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Re: Here's the thing... Larry Send a noteboard - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM

Well, Roberts is known for his snark in reviews, which I did note when I posted this thread originally :P

Can I claim RJ is known for his long winded stories, and that should be evident given the lengths of the books? :P


You could and I believe those familiar with epic fantasies would get the joke behind that comment as well :P

Snark is all very well, but when that all there is, calling his pieces reviews or commentaries seems silly to me. Its like submitting all those Goodkind threads on Westeros (I don't know why, but that comparison just keeps coming back to me) as a PhD thesis on The Sword of Truth!


I don't think that's all there is to it, or else I wouldn't have posted it here (or at best, it would have been posted with a disclaimer noting that it was nothing but snark, to be taken lightly). The issues he raises about the nature of the sex/violent scenes, the way the prose is constructed, the plot branches, character development (or perceived lack thereof) are issues that are worthy of discussion. How well he explores those issues is the matter of contention, I suppose.

And yes, some of his complaints are repetitive, but perhaps some of those are due to certain perceived "defects" cropping up throughout the series? The prose certainly never gets to the "sparkling" level at any point that I recall; it did feel a bit padded throughout, to be honest. That is something that could be raised as a point about each individual volume. Whether you agree with it or not is a different matter :P

Of course there are criticisms that will run common to all the books. If I were to review them, I'd have positive things to say that will repeat too. But the overall structure of review is more or less the same, with more or less the same set of complaints, with barely anything new being added by the reviewer. If the point being made is that all the books are padded, full of clumsy prose and completely lifted-off from various authors the reviewer has read, then why have 12 reviews? Wouldn't one review after all the books are done with be better?


Actually, I agree that a single overarching review would have worked better, but since he chose to review each of the 12 individually, I guess the main sticking points will be made over and over. But here's a question that just occurred to me - How much "growth" do we see in the series from a technical aspect? Is the structure of the prose and scenes relatively static, or do we see discernible shifts in how characters and situations are presented?

It isn't like there aren't other elements he cannot comment about. Even if he wants to be exclusively negative about the books, there are issues he has barely raised which many other readers have complained about. What about a look at the gender imbalances portrayed in the books? That is pretty glaringly obvious by this book. Is Jordan's whole premise ridiculous? Or is it just shoddy execution?


Those are indeed aspects I wonder if Roberts has seen. Perhaps it'll appear in a later review? If it doesn't, then I'd agree with you that it was a major oversight on his part.

What about the whole savior-as-destroyer aspect of Rand that becomes so obvious in this book? Far from Jordan's invention or anything, but certainly a departure from the Tolkein-spawn fantasies of the time.


I don't know if it's as much this book or it appears in the next two, though. But yes, this is an important issue. Question is, how well did Jordan execute this vision?


And for someone who admittedly read it hurriedly, that's grounds for dismissing his point that there are indeed those similarities? It's little different than reviewers of various epic fantasy works noting the similarities (and possible derivations) between works. Yes, it is quite likely RJ wanted to have those similarities in there to serve a different purpose than what Roberts appears to concede, but there are quite a few of them, if I recall.

Come, this is a ridiculous argument. If you gave a student a copy of the Silmarillion to review, and he skimmed through it and all he could say is that the whole fall of Morgoth story was similar to Paradise Lost, you're not going to excuse him are you?


I'd probably do what I've been trying to do online for years (and in the classroom), which is tease out elements of contention and then ask questions in such a way as to (hopefully) get the student to ask deeper questions without being told by me that s/he was wrong.

The Dune parallels are there. So are the parallels to the Jains, and a host of others. Almost certainly, some of these also played a part in Herbert's own portrayal of the Fremen. But Robert's chose the intellectually lazy way out and simply pointed out the easy parallel.


How many Anglo-Americans do you expect would make any sort of connection to the Jains? Sometimes, the xeroxed source becomes viewed as being the original source because of cultural differences/ignorance of other societies. Viewing this through the lens of privileged information makes interpreting his conclusions tricky. Yes, you are aware of those parallels, but for someone who is not and this being an issue where relatively few readers would be aware, are you interpreting his stance as being one that should reflect a deeper, more reflective understanding, an understanding that usually doesn't occur the first time something is read? It's the very fact that his WoT posts are so obviously that of someone who's never read the various arguments on the books' sources/influences that fascinates me - you don't often get that around forums like this...because oftentimes, some regulars are so used to their pet interpretations or have come to view neophyte reader interpretations as facile or just wrongheaded that sometimes they lash out at the new readers, often silencing them in the process.

Why then is his review in any way worthy of reading or commenting upon? The author clearly has no time for the book, no time to read it, no time to think about it a little before commenting. What then makes it different from the host of Amazon reviews out there except the length and the admittedly better language? Are we to read this because it is a good review, or because a Cambridge professor and author with a penchant for snark decided he needed a book to deride?


Not because of who he is and what he does, but because the perspective is different from those who post regularly on the topic. May not agree with some (or any) of it, but having such perspectives to consider from time to time can be invaluable in getting experienced readers to reflect back on their own development. Or at least I'd hope something like that would be taking place.


I think it's more of a case where there is a more graphic description of warfare and suffering (and quasi-bondage scenes later in the series) than there is a deeper exploration of the coming-of-age issues that the characters have. The emotional/romance/love parts are perhaps a weak PG compared to the PG-13 to almost R-rated violence. That is something that is interesting, to say the least. But it's probably been discussed to death here over the years, I guess?

Not really, because, as FT pointed out, in the new era of "gritty" fantasy, the Wheel of Time is fairly tame when it comes to violence.


Perhaps compared to those, but I'm comparing it to itself here.

The few times there is sex on screen, the issue is skirted about, yes. While it is certainly worth exploring why Jordan felt he needed to do that, while showing a greater (but nowhere close to gratuitous) level of detail with the violence, that is not what Robert's talks about at all. He is evidently bored by the fight scenes, which are way below the lofty levels in which his nose resides. But some raunchy sex would do very well, thank you.


I don't know if that's the case or not. Will be curious to see what he has to say to your blog comment, though.

It seems to me you are almost projecting your own (reasonable and more authentic, because you actually read the book) critique of the book on the Robert's review.


Who knows? I'm trying not to, but it may be a case where I'm downplaying certain aspects because I can see the point, even if I don't always agree with the delivery!
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9983 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2087 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1853 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2027 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 910 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1402 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1951 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 883 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1482 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1420 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 768 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1771 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1313 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1304 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1317 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1300 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1656 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 868 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1476 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1515 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1297 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1257 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1295 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 863 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 724 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1389 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1324 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1195 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1237 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1109 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1257 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1150 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1071 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1163 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1223 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1275 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1284 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1338 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1333 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1324 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1255 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1126 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1361 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1224 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1249 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1065 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1213 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1324 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1205 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1564 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1141 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1338 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 885 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1319 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1206 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1191 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1161 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1289 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1216 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1273 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1244 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1282 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1130 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1131 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1200 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1243 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1245 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1164 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1191 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1140 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1138 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1296 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1365 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1193 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1153 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1155 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1146 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1217 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1154 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1313 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1157 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1063 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1201 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1225 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1175 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1264 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1236 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1213 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1255 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1092 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1345 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9960 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1250 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1421 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1144 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1285 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1331 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1378 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1223 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1419 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1384 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1376 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1801 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1607 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1105 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1193 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 773 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1366 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1195 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1198 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1084 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1115 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1397 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1069 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1158 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1319 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1365 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1234 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1300 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1069 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1152 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1081 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1160 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1101 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1266 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1197 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1070 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1271 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1172 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1156 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1222 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1036 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1249 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1208 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1228 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1741 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1147 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1269 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1229 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1241 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1031 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1161 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1100 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1082 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1096 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1289 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1312 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1262 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1051 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1256 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1309 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2458 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1060 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1107 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1082 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1228 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1196 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1105 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2034 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1184 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1151 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1169 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1072 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1191 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1253 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2149 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1159 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 861 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1179 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1185 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1147 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1355 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1098 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1018 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1199 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1140 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1157 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1259 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1158 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1031 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1218 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1114 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1462 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1209 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1259 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1243 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 749 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1088 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1243 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1345 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1144 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1334 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1245 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1416 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1261 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 732 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1161 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1233 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1220 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1239 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8633 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1191 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1316 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1302 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1260 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1344 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1283 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1422 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1162 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1192 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1264 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1175 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1106 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1397 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 812 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1158 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 717 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1055 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 760 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1093 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1194 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1308 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1077 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1348 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1247 Views

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