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Not bothered as much as I am bemused by the ad hominems, to be honest Larry Send a noteboard - 12/04/2010 04:11:12 AM
But when someone points out perceived flaws and doesn't praise what you praise, it's okay to roast that person without giving due consideration to what s/he has observed?

I think you missed out on the fun a few years ago of the "great clodding foot of nerdism" that another author, M. John Harrison, wrote in regards to "worldbuilding." Sometimes, less is more and more is much, much less.

No I just have no interest in a sarcasm filled pseudo-review that has not a single original criticism in it. Show me something new or a fresh take on something and I'm happy to take it seriously. Show me a foot stamping poorly thought out whine about something and I'm going to dismiss you as uninteresting.


I dunno, for a first time reader, his comments certainly have been interesting and has reminded me of certain things that vaguely troubled me years ago, particularly the comments on gender relations in the latest review. The rest is just commentary, which considering the various ways it's been used over the years, can be interpreted in several ways ;)

Or it's just a sign that he wrote MOR fantasy that most readers read as an equivalent of a popcorn flick. They don't want or care to think too much about it. Similar to how most of Terry Goodkind's readers are not supporters of his Objectivist-leaning thoughts, despite those opinions shaping several of his SoT novels.

Spending 20 years reading a series is not my idea of a fun time. Have too many books to review, short fiction to read for anthologies, and translations to be done in my spare time to spend too much time on any particular author or literary genre. But if that floats your boat, OK, but I just wouldn't think that would be SOP for most readers.

Yet note that Roberts doesn't point any of these things out in his review? Don't you find it interesting that millions of readers are out there snapping up RJs work despite it's rather obvious flaws? Shouldn't Roberts at least bother with that question? If it's such utter trash, why then have so many people spent so many years with it? No one is arguing that WoT is a great work of literary achievement, or that RJ was more than an average writer.


I said it's MOR fantasy, in my opinion. That would constitute something that would have "mass appeal" precisely because it isn't anything more or less than standard, average fare. And as such, very little MOR is going to be spectacular in anything of a "creative" nature.

IMO these books are all about simple enjoyment. Much like seeing a blockbuster film. I still don't see why you bother reading the series if you are time pressed, don't enjoy them and think they are poorly written. If you just want to see how the story ends (which btw tells me you are more vested than you let on) there are a million places to find out online.


I picked up #10 on a dare to write something sarcastic, never read the novel version of the prequel, and read #11 and #12 only because I received a review copy of the latter. I have as much vested in this series now as I do in finishing King's Dark Tower series (which I haven't bothered reading since the fifth book came out) or in Martin's SOIAF series (I've only read the first three and although I have an autographed copy of the fourth, haven't read more than a few pages of that). In other words, only when I have a compelling reason to read something, do I bother with a multi-volume work.

It is quite amusing how some think that just because one pays closer attention to how a story is constructed that s/he cannot appreciate the story being told as well. I'd argue that in several cases, the enjoyment can be heightened from being more aware of these things. I heard the audio samples and thought they were tedious. Of course, I can finish the typical book in about 2-3 hours if I decide to spend that much time on a work, so the audio parts tend to be too slow for my liking :P

Then you aren't reading enough types of fantasy, then. The books I mention in that link are very, very different from epic fantasies.

I burned out on the research parts 13 years ago, after I earned my MA in History :P

I find it amusing when writers/reviewers spend so much time working themselves up over poorly constructed sentences and minor plot lines that they lose track of the central themes of a work. Or are so focused on attempts at humor (IMO Sarcasm is difficult to pull off in writing) that they lose control of what they are writing. I'm also not a fan of reviewers that add nothing to the longer conversation. Don't re-hash the same arguments 50 other reviews have put out there and expect me to be impressed.


Then I guess you haven't read any of my reviews, then? ;)

I agree, the audiobooks aren't really floating my boat, but I thought I'd give them a shot ... I don't hate them, but I'd rather just read the book.

Do you have a Fantasy novel you would recommend?


Well, for older works, Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast novels were very good. I'll give the link to those reviews below. Then there are the five reviews of Gene Wolfe's masterpiece The Book of the New Sun series and its coda. Here's the URL for those:

http://ofblog.blogspot.com/search/label/Book%20of%20the%20New%20Sun


The amusing consequence of Roberts' reviews and the discussions here is that I'm contemplating re-reading the first 11 WoT volumes for the first time in ages (well, 10 years for the first 9). Of course, there's a poll on that, as I'm also considering re-reading Frank Herbert's Dune novels as well.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
Peake reviews (first two books)
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9945 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2075 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1843 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2014 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 896 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1391 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1938 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 876 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1471 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1408 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 762 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1753 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1303 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1294 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1306 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1290 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1646 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 858 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1464 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1503 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1286 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1245 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1286 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 858 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 714 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1378 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1316 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1185 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1227 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1098 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1249 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1142 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1064 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1151 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1212 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1262 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1271 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1324 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1324 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1311 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1243 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1114 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1349 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1213 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1239 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1059 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1202 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1312 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1197 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1552 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1134 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1328 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 876 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1302 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1196 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1178 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1151 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1278 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1205 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1262 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1231 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1269 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1119 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1116 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1188 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1232 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1234 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1155 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1176 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1128 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1124 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1287 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1350 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1183 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1140 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1144 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1130 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1206 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1144 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1301 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1144 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1052 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1187 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1214 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1163 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1250 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1225 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1203 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1244 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1081 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1333 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9951 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1239 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1409 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1128 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1270 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1318 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1366 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1210 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1408 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1373 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1364 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1791 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1591 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1093 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1186 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 761 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1356 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1187 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1186 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1068 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1103 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1386 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1058 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1150 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1302 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1356 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1222 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1288 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1059 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1140 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1069 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1154 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1090 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1249 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1182 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1060 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1257 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1163 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1144 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1211 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1024 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1238 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1195 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1219 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1734 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1139 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1254 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1218 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1229 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1020 Views
Not bothered as much as I am bemused by the ad hominems, to be honest - 12/04/2010 04:11:12 AM 1496 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1147 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1084 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1067 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1083 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1278 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1301 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1249 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1038 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1244 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1296 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2448 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1051 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1096 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1071 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1219 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1185 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1096 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2023 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1173 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1141 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1155 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1063 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1180 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1242 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2137 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1148 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 851 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1170 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1176 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1136 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1338 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1088 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1011 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1184 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1130 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1144 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1247 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1146 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1021 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1203 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1108 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1449 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1202 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1244 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1234 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 745 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1078 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1234 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1333 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1130 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1317 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1234 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1403 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1250 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 724 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1151 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1222 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1210 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1229 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8623 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1181 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1307 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1292 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1250 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1330 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1273 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1412 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1152 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1182 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1254 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1165 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1095 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1387 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 806 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1144 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 708 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1047 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 753 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1081 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1184 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1300 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1064 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1337 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1239 Views

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