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Not bothered as much as I am bemused by the ad hominems, to be honest Larry Send a noteboard - 12/04/2010 04:11:12 AM
But when someone points out perceived flaws and doesn't praise what you praise, it's okay to roast that person without giving due consideration to what s/he has observed?

I think you missed out on the fun a few years ago of the "great clodding foot of nerdism" that another author, M. John Harrison, wrote in regards to "worldbuilding." Sometimes, less is more and more is much, much less.

No I just have no interest in a sarcasm filled pseudo-review that has not a single original criticism in it. Show me something new or a fresh take on something and I'm happy to take it seriously. Show me a foot stamping poorly thought out whine about something and I'm going to dismiss you as uninteresting.


I dunno, for a first time reader, his comments certainly have been interesting and has reminded me of certain things that vaguely troubled me years ago, particularly the comments on gender relations in the latest review. The rest is just commentary, which considering the various ways it's been used over the years, can be interpreted in several ways ;)

Or it's just a sign that he wrote MOR fantasy that most readers read as an equivalent of a popcorn flick. They don't want or care to think too much about it. Similar to how most of Terry Goodkind's readers are not supporters of his Objectivist-leaning thoughts, despite those opinions shaping several of his SoT novels.

Spending 20 years reading a series is not my idea of a fun time. Have too many books to review, short fiction to read for anthologies, and translations to be done in my spare time to spend too much time on any particular author or literary genre. But if that floats your boat, OK, but I just wouldn't think that would be SOP for most readers.

Yet note that Roberts doesn't point any of these things out in his review? Don't you find it interesting that millions of readers are out there snapping up RJs work despite it's rather obvious flaws? Shouldn't Roberts at least bother with that question? If it's such utter trash, why then have so many people spent so many years with it? No one is arguing that WoT is a great work of literary achievement, or that RJ was more than an average writer.


I said it's MOR fantasy, in my opinion. That would constitute something that would have "mass appeal" precisely because it isn't anything more or less than standard, average fare. And as such, very little MOR is going to be spectacular in anything of a "creative" nature.

IMO these books are all about simple enjoyment. Much like seeing a blockbuster film. I still don't see why you bother reading the series if you are time pressed, don't enjoy them and think they are poorly written. If you just want to see how the story ends (which btw tells me you are more vested than you let on) there are a million places to find out online.


I picked up #10 on a dare to write something sarcastic, never read the novel version of the prequel, and read #11 and #12 only because I received a review copy of the latter. I have as much vested in this series now as I do in finishing King's Dark Tower series (which I haven't bothered reading since the fifth book came out) or in Martin's SOIAF series (I've only read the first three and although I have an autographed copy of the fourth, haven't read more than a few pages of that). In other words, only when I have a compelling reason to read something, do I bother with a multi-volume work.

It is quite amusing how some think that just because one pays closer attention to how a story is constructed that s/he cannot appreciate the story being told as well. I'd argue that in several cases, the enjoyment can be heightened from being more aware of these things. I heard the audio samples and thought they were tedious. Of course, I can finish the typical book in about 2-3 hours if I decide to spend that much time on a work, so the audio parts tend to be too slow for my liking :P

Then you aren't reading enough types of fantasy, then. The books I mention in that link are very, very different from epic fantasies.

I burned out on the research parts 13 years ago, after I earned my MA in History :P

I find it amusing when writers/reviewers spend so much time working themselves up over poorly constructed sentences and minor plot lines that they lose track of the central themes of a work. Or are so focused on attempts at humor (IMO Sarcasm is difficult to pull off in writing) that they lose control of what they are writing. I'm also not a fan of reviewers that add nothing to the longer conversation. Don't re-hash the same arguments 50 other reviews have put out there and expect me to be impressed.


Then I guess you haven't read any of my reviews, then? ;)

I agree, the audiobooks aren't really floating my boat, but I thought I'd give them a shot ... I don't hate them, but I'd rather just read the book.

Do you have a Fantasy novel you would recommend?


Well, for older works, Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast novels were very good. I'll give the link to those reviews below. Then there are the five reviews of Gene Wolfe's masterpiece The Book of the New Sun series and its coda. Here's the URL for those:

http://ofblog.blogspot.com/search/label/Book%20of%20the%20New%20Sun


The amusing consequence of Roberts' reviews and the discussions here is that I'm contemplating re-reading the first 11 WoT volumes for the first time in ages (well, 10 years for the first 9). Of course, there's a poll on that, as I'm also considering re-reading Frank Herbert's Dune novels as well.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
Peake reviews (first two books)
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 10186 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2169 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1918 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2111 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 965 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1475 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2023 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 922 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1567 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1492 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 815 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1856 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1378 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1378 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1393 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1370 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1740 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 923 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1543 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1582 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1364 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1341 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1359 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 904 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 773 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1453 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1394 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1259 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1313 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1182 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1318 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1213 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1127 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1242 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1280 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1362 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1365 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1397 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1390 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1393 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1316 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1211 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1450 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1297 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1313 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1103 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1288 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1392 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1267 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1632 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1198 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1408 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 934 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1389 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1268 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1261 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1229 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1364 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1286 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1335 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1318 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1368 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1197 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1211 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1267 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1309 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1311 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1228 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1261 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1218 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1215 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1364 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1435 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1253 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1224 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1229 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1216 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1292 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1227 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1380 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1230 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1141 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1268 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1289 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1247 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1333 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1297 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1288 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1328 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1159 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1425 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10032 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1326 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1489 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1214 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1350 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1395 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1443 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1292 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1482 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1451 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1437 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1872 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1676 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1170 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1261 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 819 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1432 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1255 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1270 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1148 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1177 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1462 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1133 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1238 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1392 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1434 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1296 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1365 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1144 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1229 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1148 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1224 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1175 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1344 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1267 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1136 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1337 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1235 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1222 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1282 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1101 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1320 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1275 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1290 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1798 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1208 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1338 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1298 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1307 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1107 Views
Not bothered as much as I am bemused by the ad hominems, to be honest - 12/04/2010 04:11:12 AM 1577 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1239 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1167 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1166 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1164 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1353 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1375 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1328 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1122 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1330 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1375 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2524 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1129 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1176 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1148 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1288 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1262 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1173 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2100 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1250 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1216 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1248 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1137 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1268 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1317 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2233 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1229 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 904 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1240 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1258 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1218 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1444 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1170 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1081 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1263 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1223 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1238 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1333 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1233 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1096 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1289 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1174 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1538 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1277 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1324 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1309 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 787 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1152 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1318 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1427 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1213 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1401 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1307 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1509 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1331 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 781 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1234 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1299 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1296 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1308 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8717 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1261 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1380 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1377 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1336 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1416 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1353 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1491 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1228 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1261 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1331 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1255 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1169 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1469 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 854 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1222 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 764 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1129 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 803 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1152 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1271 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1372 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1148 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1426 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1304 Views

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