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Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble Sidious Send a noteboard - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM

I don't seem to recall any discussions of burning people at the stake in any of Roberts' posts. I would say that, mocking or not, that such a comment goes quite a bit beyond satire and toward the sort of comment that some of Terry Goodkind's more deluded fanatics have posted over the years.

No, there were no such comments in the blog. But then, I don't think Sidious meant any of it literally.
And in no way is this in anyway reminiscent of Mystar and his ilk. It is quite obvious that Sidious criticizes RJ for several things, including some things on which Adam Roberts would likely agree. He's far from a fan-boy.

As for your opinions on this, well...things do go more than one way.

Of course. Yet that kind of understanding has been completely lacking in Roberts' own posts about the series. The best he could come up with is that people liked the books for their length and the comfort that offered. I didn't see you take exception to that...


I don't think "condescending" is the word to use here. When I originally posted this thread, it was to see what discussion might occur out of it, in the now vain hope that it'd be more substantive than what has been produced. So yes, after a while, the circular nature of the arguments on all sides (I didn't exclude myself from that comment, after all) became repetitive and I mostly just posted the links out of habit than anything else.

Your initial motives are not the issue here. You say you found the discussion here circular. It was clear people here found the discussion in the blog tasteless and stupid. What could possibly be the point of posting links from each place in the other except to stoke up the heat?
By itself, that isn't even objectionable.


No, it's not hypocritical when I've been quite open about my thoughts for months now.

What's the connection? I never said you lied about your thoughts on WoT. What I said was that you spent considerable effort defending Roberts on this board, but label those who defend RJ as fan-boys, irrespective of the fact that some people had well reasoned arguments for why they found him an interesting read.

After all, why else would I comment inside the blog posts and have links where people here could read it if they so chose? And here's a question to consider: why do some feel as those their (or the dead author's) honor has been besmirched? After all, mocking or not, no one makes comments about imbeciles and burning dissidents at the stake unless there's a wee bit too much attachment to something.

Then perhaps a glance at some of Sidious's posts is in order? Because he's far from showing any undue attachment to RJ and his works. Though I suspect that, like me, he took exception to statements that WoT was bourgeois fiction that is read by people attracted to its "inherent" safety. That goes several steps beyond calling someone an imbecile, as far as I'm concerned.
It takes the "fan" part and restores the original, somewhat connotation of "fanatic" to me.

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This has become such an easy way out of any discussion its becoming frustrating. It is one thing to call someone who goes to various sites and defends his pet author and insults his detractors a fanatic. It is quite something else to level the same accusation at any and everyone who thinks some popular genre author is great.

Perhaps I'm just too cynical to see the point in all this and should just bow out of such discussions in the future.

Maybe. Clearly, you have a standard set on what is good fiction and what is not. And after going through your comments in Roberts' blog, it seems clear you have no issues with characterizing some with different standards as people with poor taste (not in so many words, but the implication is rather clear).


From the beginning I've considered this post to be borderline trolling. Posting reviews by an author who disdains Robert Jordan's work on a site dedicated to those works is counter-productive to start with. In fact, Roberts negative reviews in themselves aren't themselves objectionable, but rather his clear attempt to obtain approval using jibes and sarcasm. It's attention-seeking at its base level. Readers who know WoT far better than I do, such as DomA, have made eloquent posts showing factually that Roberts makes almost no valid points regarding his criticism of the series, and even worse, by forming erroneous parallels doesn't understand fantasy in general.

The fact that Larry took the effort to actually link my post to Roberts' blog is a clear indication that he wants to ignite conflict on this, and perhaps both, boards. If I wanted him to read what I thought of him, I would have posted something there. I'm sure Roberts will eventually reply with some or other nasty remark - he has little else to offer. However, if Larry is anxiously hoping for some cross-board escalation to occur, he's sadly mistaken.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9916 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2064 Views
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Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 890 Views
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Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 869 Views
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You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1398 Views
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well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1741 Views
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I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1284 Views
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I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1632 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 852 Views
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No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1491 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1276 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1235 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1273 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 851 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 709 Views
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And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1301 Views
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Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1217 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1088 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1237 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1129 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1053 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1140 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1201 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1247 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1262 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1315 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1315 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1298 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1235 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1105 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1338 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1203 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1229 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1053 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1193 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1301 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1187 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1542 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1124 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1319 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 869 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1292 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1186 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1167 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1139 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1269 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1195 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1251 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1219 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1259 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1109 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1103 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1174 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1222 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1225 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1143 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1164 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1115 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1115 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1280 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1335 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1171 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1132 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1134 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1120 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1196 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1132 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1292 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1130 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1042 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1174 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1205 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1153 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1237 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1216 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1193 Views
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Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1071 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1321 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9940 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1225 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1401 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1116 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1258 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1304 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1354 Views
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What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1397 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1364 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1354 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1780 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1582 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1082 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1176 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 754 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1348 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1179 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1177 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1057 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1093 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1374 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1049 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1140 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1291 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1345 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1209 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1275 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1048 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1126 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1059 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1144 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1082 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1239 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1172 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1049 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1246 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1154 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1127 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1197 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1012 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1225 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1184 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1206 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1724 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1128 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1241 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1206 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1215 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1009 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1133 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1072 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1054 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1070 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1268 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1288 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1236 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1027 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1231 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1283 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2437 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1040 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1082 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1058 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1206 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1173 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1083 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2012 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1161 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1128 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1142 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1051 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1167 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1231 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2126 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1135 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 845 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1158 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1160 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1125 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1325 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1077 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1001 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1171 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1116 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1131 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1234 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1130 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1009 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1189 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1096 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1436 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1185 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1230 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1219 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 737 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1066 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1219 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1320 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1117 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1303 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1219 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1388 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1235 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 718 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1140 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1212 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1197 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1216 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8605 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1173 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1297 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1280 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1240 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1318 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1263 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1402 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1143 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1173 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1241 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1153 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1086 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1380 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 801 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1137 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 703 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1039 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 746 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1071 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1175 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1292 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1054 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1323 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1228 Views

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